[paraclete]

Tal I have a particular point of view on this. Each life should have the chance to reach its potential. If my mother had taken the opportunity to end my life I would not be here. As far a certain problems are concerned population and rising population is a problem but I don't see abortion as a birth control tool. What is needed is for people to take a little responsibility for outcomes and avoid unwanted pregnancies. This requires education and a lift in moral and ethical values but it is useless suggesting that in the most lawless and unethical place on Earth. Your laws are a sham and their outcomes leave much to be desired

[talaniman]

You should be grateful your mother made that choice to have you but that has little to do with the choices and situation of others at all. So get off your moral high horse at those who have different points of view. Abortions are birth control, and responsible, AND population control... AND LEGAL. It's responsible FAMILY planning.

Your particular point of view is irrelevant to anyone but you, and the short sighted narrow minded bigots you share it with.

It think it's disgusting you think forcing a female to making YOUR moral choice, and then walk away quacking about responsibility after a child is born instead of supporting that choice, is pure HYPOCRISY!! How is that even MORAL?


Once a child is born you, and others like you should rallying around the mother and child with the full support a human can instead of walking away like a deadbeat dad, and leaving them both to fend for themselves.

That's my particular view.....back to YOU!

[tomder55]

either you think taking an innocent life is wrong or not . We know where you stand .

What is the difference between Planned Parenthood and the Islamic State ?
The Islamic state doesn't care if the eyes are closed after decapitation.

Now tal you have to remember ....... when you execute a baby and take off it's head ;make sure it's eyes are closed before you ship the head to Mengele labs .

[talaniman]

Nice try Tom, but comparing ISIS to PP is a very desperate move. Come on PP is a legal entity in the US.

[tomder55]

I'm not impressed with the "it's legal ,therefore it's cool " argument . State sanctioned murder is still murder .

[talaniman]

So is the death penalty but who notices? I would rather have the morning after pill available and cheap, or everybody being informed of the many other form of birth control and responsible safe sex. Doubt that happens tomorrow though, so in the meantime.. feed the babies and help the females who have them.

PS I did my part, barring unforeseen upgrading/updates. YOUR TURN! Good Luck! ;)

[NeedKarma]

Tom sinks to new lows.

[tomder55]

so you going to compare the taking of a henious criminal's life to that of the most innocent life on earth ? My positon on the death penalty (executions by the state )is that it should be an option rarely used ,but still an option.

[talaniman]

My positon on the death penalty (executions by the state )is that it should be an option rarely used ,but still an option.

That's my position on abortions. A viable option. Especially if a proper support system is not in place or apparent.

[NeedKarma]

the most innocent life on earth

It isn't life by definition. Take issue with the lawmakers or the mothers who are making this decision. Don't forget to tell them they are worse than islamic terrorists.

[tomder55]

That's my position on abortions. A viable option. Especially if a proper support system is not in place or apparent.

I said rare . Your side looks at it the same way they do about wearing a condom. Abortion is on demand in this country ,not rare . If I compared it to death penalty it would be the equivalent of death because of the crime of jay walking .

It isn't life by definition. Take issue with the lawmakers or the mothers who are making this decision. Don't forget to tell them they are worse than islamic terrorists.

you selectively cherry pick and distort what I wrote . I called Planned Parenthood the equivalent of ISIS ,not the mothers.

I do take issue with the lawmakers . But the fact is that many lawmakers had already decided that abortion was illegal . Then SCOTUS distorted the Constitution to make it the law of the land .

BWT the plaintiff Norma McCorvey aka "Jane Roe" regrets her decision to be part of the case . She would like Roe v Wade reversed . She says that it should be reversed because the decision is no longer valid because scientific and anecdotal evidence that has come to light in the last 30 years has shown the negative effects of abortion.

[NeedKarma]

Then SCOTUS distorted the Constitution to make it the law of the land

Well of course, that's what you always say when you don't agree with someone - like you're smarter than 99% of the population.

Your side looks at it the same way they do about wearing a condom.

Nah, I disagree with abortion being used as birth control. But them again using the Pill to prevent inplantation/ovulation is different how? Also donating eggs must be murder too, right?

[Wondergirl]

Tom, what will you do about all the children born in poverty to single mothers?

[tomder55]

Tom, what will you do about all the children born in poverty to single mothers?

the obvious answer is you kill em before they are born ....that's the most expedient remedy right ?

[tomder55]

Well of course, that's what you always say when you don't agree with someone - like you're smarter than 99% of the population.

Don't really think that 99% of the population holds the position that right to privacy ;that the court held to be found in the emanations and penumbras of the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth Amendments, and Fourteenth Amendments, are so broad that it is guaranteed at all costs. It is an unreasonable position to take . No one would argue that murder done in the privacy of your home is permissible . The ruling cherry picked bits of rights that the judges interpreted in the various amendments mentioned ,but their ruling ignored the plain text right to "life" which precedes “liberty” in the 14th Amendment.

The ruling spoke of viability of life as being the time between point where the right to privacy gives way to the right to life . But as we know ,abortions are performed well past the time of viability . Further ,medical advances have made the age of viability closer and closer to the day of conception . So EVEN if I were to accept the court's phony description of when life begins ;I can say that most of the abortions occur well past that threshold. (more when I have more time )

[Wondergirl]

the obvious answer is you kill em before they are born ....that's the most expedient remedy right ?

We don't kill them. They're born. Then what?

[paraclete]

Well then you look after them

[Wondergirl]

Well then you look after them

And the mothers are single, have no job, have five older children by various men, and the children are hungry. And need clothes. And the rent hasn't been paid.

[paraclete]

And the mothers are single, have no job, have five older children by various men, and the children are hungry. And need clothes. And the rent hasn't been paid.

This is the disconnect in the dabate, there is a implied obligation on the part of society to look to the welfare of every person, but there is also an impled obligation on the part of the individual to be responsible

[Wondergirl]

This is the disconnect in the dabate, there is a implied obligation on the part of society to look to the welfare of every person, but there is also an impled obligation on the part of the individual to be responsible

A baby isn't able to be responsible.