[paraclete]

Perhaps you could have them patrol the streets of other US cities to deter gun violence

[talaniman]

Perhaps you could have them patrol the streets of other US cities to deter gun violence

Oath Keepers parading on the south side of Chicago?? Never going to happen.

[paraclete]

Oath Keepers parading on the south side of Chicago?? Never going to happen.

I was referring to the Red Capped Guardian Angels not the gun tottin vigilantees

[tomder55]

There is a Chicago Chapter of the Guardian Angels. They mostly patrol the Chicago Transit Authority .It was organized by Miguel Fuentes .

[paraclete]

Perhaps they should extend their activities

[tomder55]

They are not the police dept and don't pretend to be . When they first started in the bad old days of NYC ;when the murder rate numbered in the thousands annually ,they were considered a mob of vigilantes by the Koch Adm . But they proved over time that they were not threat to anyone except the mugger on the street. They broke up muggings and did the occasional citizen's arrest. They created a liason with the police and the local communities and were eventually accepted as an asset. Over time ;with proper policing by the Rudy Guilliani and Michael Bloomberg administrations they became less important and sorta faded away .

The reason for this comeback here is that the current commie in chief has let policing ;especially quality of life enforcement laws deteriorate . This is a deliberate attempt in my view because he governs from an ideological view where he believes the police are the problem ,and not the thugs .

When Central Park was safe it was averaging 40million visitors a year. But crime is up 26 % in Central Park and it is becoming an unsafe place for residents and visitors to be. The Guardian Angels can only do so much on their own. I also don't believe de Blasio will have their back.

[talaniman]

Better I think if the young protesting minorities who wish to be heard and acknowledged would vote in the off year elections they could maximize the gains that have already been made. Just being angry and excited during a presidential election year is clearly not enough to effect the change they scream about.

While the right continues to erode the rights of voters and even seek to diminish the power that the youths have in ever growing numbers, the youths just holler and give no actions to their rather loud voices. What a waste in my mind to elect a democrat to the white house, and then abandon him to the whims of the right wing repubs.

Holler, blame, and call names is a right wing tactic that is a poor substitute for not taking their young a$$es to the polls every 2 years instead of just every 4!

[tomder55]

the emperor has done an aweful lot of damage for someone who is constantly being "obstructed " .Perhaps that whole obstruction thing is a tired old meme that had no merit .

Where you see 'erode the rights of voters ' ;I see guaranteeing the integrity of the franchise . Why don't you just admit it . You want everyone undocumented and ineligble to vote . The Dems would not survive in this country without vote fraud.

Better I think if the young protesting minorities who wish to be heard and acknowledged would vote in the off year elections they could maximize the gains that have already been made. Just being angry and excited during a presidential election year is clearly not enough to effect the change they scream about.

You know why they really scream ? Because they are beholden to a party that they give almost all their vote to ;and after the elections they are completely ignored by the elected officials they voted for . I can't blame them for that frustration ;But I suggest the cure would be to diversify their vote and make their elected officials fear that they will lose their support ....or even better ; try some conservative management of the cities they reside in . NYC is a much better place because of the time that Rudy and Bloomy managed the town (despite my critique of Nanny Bloomy ,he was an effective Mayor ).

[NeedKarma]

a tired old meme that had no merit

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emperor has done an aweful lot of damage

[talaniman]

You want everyone undocumented and ineligible to vote

That's what YOU want. That's why repubs purge eligible voters along with the ineligible ones, and make it harder for eligible voters to vote. (TYPO?)

The Dems would not survive in this country without vote fraud.

You would love to think that, as unrealistic, and factually false as that is, but it plays well with the racists, and loonies, and bible thumpers, that make up the base of the repub party.

[smoothy]

Valid ID at the Polls assures legal voters get to vote and illegal voters don't.

You can't apply or collect welfare, food stamps... or get section 8 housing vouchers if you can't provide a legal form of ID.

Why should you be allowed to vote without one.


Only reason to oppose that is because of actually wanting people with no right to vote, to vote and vote often.

[tomder55]

You want everyone undocumented and ineligible to vote That's what YOU want. That's why repubs purge eligible voters along with the ineligible ones, and make it harder for eligible voters to vote. (TYPO?)

no grammar issue You want every undocumented and ineligble person to vote .

[talaniman]

I am not opposed to ID, never have been. But when a gun permit is acceptable, and not a student ID (See Texas, already struck down by federal judges AGAIN this year) then I just get suspicious.

And then there is this nugget to consider,

Voter Purges | Brennan Center for Justice,

And for fact we have on record many republicans admitting to making it harder for eligible voters to vote, mostly elderly and minorities, to insure repubs win. (Links provided of these confessions in previous threads on this subject).

[smoothy]

Student ID's are not government issued... and easily faked or duplicated. Not to mention non-standard...and issued to illegals who have no right to vote, proof they attend school is not proof of voting eligibility.. Illegals can't get a gun permit. And gun permits require a proof of ID...as well as a background check to get, unlike School ID's.

In the school district I am bled dry in property taxes to support...28% of the students (admitted by the district) are illegals, no idea how many are children of Foreign dignitaries or other foreign workers...none of whom are eligible to vote

Even in Community colleges or Universities...Illegals and foreign students attend, and have student ID's. None of them are eligible to vote.

[paraclete]

Smoothy enlighten me, in a country where voting is not compulsory why would an illegal immigrant vote? I would have thought that an illegal immigrant would want to keep their head down and not draw attention to themselves in any way. Surely there are standards for voter registration and voter identification? It seems a strange debate about what is a valid ID. It just appears strange to me but then I live in a place where we try to take the least complex path to a solution and the idea is to get the job done not prevent the job from being done

[smoothy]

Smoothy enlighten me, in a country where voting is not compulsory why would an illegal immigrant vote? I would have thought that an illegal immigrant would want to keep their head down and not draw attention to themselves in any way. Surely there are standards for voter registration and voter identification? It seems a strange debate about what is a valid ID. It just appears strange to me but then I live in a place where we try to take the least complex path to a solution and the idea is to get the job done not prevent the job from being done

They are usually Paid to do it by groups Like ACORN... who still exist only under different names.

[paraclete]

Wow I wish someone would pay me to vote instead of just inconveniencing me to try and find a polling place in the usual place. I'm waiting until they perfect online voting, I fail to understand why we don't already have the facility we already interact with various government agencies online and will do the census on line next year. Here's an idea as part of the Census let's fill in our voting preference and do away with the crap.

[talaniman]

You have to understand Clete that the right wing needs an excuse to losing the national elections because of increasing minority turnout. Rather than appeal to all voters they pander to their own and raise the specter of voting fraud by the dems to greater proportions than it is (You notice they never have voting fraud by their side!).

[paraclete]

Every party panders to their own Tal and sometimes dirty tricks get involved, that happens everywhere but it becomes less likely when you have a full turnout. Obama managed to mobilise the masses, but a one man show doesn't provide government as has been clearly demonstrated. Someone must concentrate on getting a majority where it counts, which is right across the board. Personally, I cannot understand a system that can elect a head of state who is of a different persuasion to the House in the same election

[talaniman]

You have to recognize that fewer of us here just vote a straight party line, as states and regions have their own personalities and likes, and dislikes. Even when one party rule the branches of government the power out of power has many options to keep the party in power in check somewhat.

I fully agree though that all the parties have their share of tricks, traps, and shenanigans. Goes without saying that independents are a growing deciding factor in the repub/dem war, and party labels can be changed at a drop of a hat for any reason.