[talaniman]

Yeah, lets go back to throwing rock, and using sticks to solve our problems, and deal with the nuts who have BIG issues.

[Catsmine]

deal with the nuts

Hey, there's an idea! Dealing with people and their problems would seem a better approach than regulating what tools they use when they go off. Or we could ban guns, then knives, then fertilizer and fuel, then bleach and baking soda, then peaches, then... ad infinitum.

[smoothy]

This all started going downhill when they emptied out the insane assylums and turned the loons loose on the public. After all they have a right to be free to do this sort of thing to us... but we don't have a right to be protected from them doing it.

[Catsmine]

we don't have a right to be protected from them doing it.

You have the rights you can defend. There have always been and will always be wannabe rulers that know better than you what's best for you.

[smoothy]

You have the rights you can defend. There have always been and will always be wannabe rulers that know better than you what's best for you.

Yes , and that we do... unless you live in Chicago, or NYC. But they are working hard to take away that ability and right. They don't believe there should be any law abiding citizens owning weapons... much less having the right to carry them, except the goons and thugs loyal to their party.

[Tuttyd]

Hey, there's an idea! Dealing with people and their problems would seem a better approach than regulating what tools they use when they go off. Or we could ban guns, then knives, then fertilizer and fuel, then bleach and baking soda, then peaches, then... ad infinitum.

That's a continuum error.

[paraclete]

continuum, yes an appropriate term for a never ending problum

[paraclete]

Yeah, lets go back to throwing rock, and using sticks to solve our problems, and deal with the nuts who have BIG issues.

I suggest it is an infinitely better solution to allowing the use of firearms, as soon as someone picks up a rock you can arrest him whereas if someone picks up a gun you cannot, afterall there is no right to possess "rocks". Of course a rather stupid body would quickly define the possession of rocks as arms indicating just how many rocks they have in their head. It will never catch on since rocks are freely available to all

[talaniman]

I suggest it is an infinitely better solution to allowing the use of firearms, as soon as someone picks up a rock you can arrest him whereas if someone picks up a gun you cannot, afterall there is no right to possess "rocks". Of course a rather stupid body would quickly define the possession of rocks as arms indicating just how many rocks they have in their head. It will never catch on since rocks are freely available to all

No background checks either.

[paraclete]

yep rocks can be freely sold or exchanged

[smoothy]

And quite a few polititians seem to have been born with them rattling around in their heads.

[tomder55]

several gun web sites are reporting that Eric Holder ,in testimony about the fiscal budget made this statement about increaded spending on a program that in his words would “ ...will double the capacity of the existing
NICS [National Instant Check System] system. These expansions are vital in ensuring that the NICS system can support a Universal Background Check requirement, which is expected to double gross NICS transactions.”

These sites also say that he requested $51 million and 255 agents for the purpose of copying 4473 forms. I can't find the transcripts of the hearing ,or any other independent reporting on this. We already know that Congress (including the Dem led Senate ) has rejected legislation that would create universal registry . But that has never stopped the emperor before. It appears if these reports are true ,that Holder is laying the infrastructure ground work for some future legislation....or executive fiat.

[talaniman]

It's fact that people cross state lines to buy guns. I think the 50 states should be on the same page and instantly know when a gun is being purchased by anyone before being allowed to buy it.

Don't you think Texas should know the fool from New York is trying to buy a gun?

[smoothy]

I think EVERY state should be forced to recognise and accept the Conciealed carry permits issued by another state.

Nobody from NY is allowed to buy guns in Texas or any other state now. All deliveries have to happen through a FFL holder in the home state of the buyer. And has to follow all legal requirements, federal and local.

THis fantasy people have of walking into any gunshop in another state and walking out with 50 guns is complete bunk... unless that's a gun shop run buy Eric Holder and the Department of inJustice.

[cdad]

I think EVERY state should be forced to recognise and accept the Conciealed carry permits issued by another state.

Nobody from NY is allowed to buy guns in Texas or any other state now. All deliveries have to happen through a FFL holder in the home state of the buyer. And has to follow all legal requirements, federal and local.

THis fantasy people have of walking into any gunshop in another state and walking out with 50 guns is complete bunk... unless that's a gun shop run buy Eric Holder and the Department of inJustice.

Start with the truth. States that have recipricol rights have made agreements where in neighboring states it IS legal to buy a gun. That type of purchase only applies to long guns not hand guns. There can not be a private sale in another state of any kind of long gun nor hand gun. The only restrictions would be that set by the state as to the amount of guns you can buy.

[smoothy]

Start with the truth. States that have recipricol rights have made agreements where in neighboring states it IS legal to buy a gun. That type of purchase only applies to long guns not hand guns. There can not be a private sale in another state of any kind of long gun nor hand gun. The only restrictions would be that set by the state as to the amount of guns you can buy.

I did speak the truth... you can not go into a state you do not reside.. purchase and carry out a gun... either a long gun or a hand gun.

They have to ship it to a licensed dealer in your home state where they complete the paperwork.

I've bought three riflles that way over the years where the shops selling the guns were actually closer than the shop I had to ship them to in my state to take delivery of them..


And thats been over the last 20 years....its not something new.

[cdad]

I did speak the truth... you can not go into a state you do not reside.. purchase and carry out a gun... either a long gun or a hand gun.

They have to ship it to a licensed dealer in your home state where they complete the paperwork.

I've bought three riflles that way over the years where the shops selling the guns were actually closer than the shop I had to ship them to in my state to take delivery of them..


And thats been over the last 20 years....its not something new.

Wow you are behind the time. You can buy long guns from out of state dealers (ffl).
Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF

[smoothy]

Wow you are behind the time. You can buy long guns from out of state dealers (ffl).
Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?A person may only acquire a firearm within the person's own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF

Then a lot of dealers are refusing to follow that because I wasn't allowed to take delivery on any them outside of my home state, I had to pay to ship them, and pay the other dealer to deal with the paperwork...(the lower prices I got on them justified the cost however), they were not bought at the same dealer or on the same date.. And none of the dealers around here will sell anything but ammunition to out of state purchacers. Unless the dealer they are shipping it to another dealer in that persons state.

And thats in Virginia....the state that the gun grabbing lobby is so fond of singling out. But also in Pennsylvania and Maryland (before the recent draconian law)

I'd pull up some links backing that up... if the corporate firewall didn't flash I violation for a category of weapons... meaning I can't do it until later tonight.


I'd rather do private purchaces however because the only reason Big Brother needs to know who has what...is so they have a list of what to take when they start grabbing guns.

[Catsmine]

I'd rather do private purchaces

The wisest choice

[tomder55]

today billionaire ,former Mayor Nanny Bloomy pledged $50 million to fight the NRA in the political arena . Let's hear the left condemn money in politics now .