[speechlesstx]

Well hell, how the freak do you tell a REAL Christian from a fake one?

Don't know, but don't you think they should argue honestly? That was either horsesh*t or I've just missed all the he-man woman hater, gay bashing, education hating, theocracy 101 meetings. I'm going with it's horsesh*T.

[talaniman]

Since you can't tell, and neither can I then I sue the Christian that discriminates against me. How about that, let the court sort it out.

[tomder55]

PS>Baseball?

If y'all want me to be the commish again , I'll try to set up a league over the weekend .

[speechlesstx]

If y'all want me to be the commish again , I'll try to set up a league over the weekend .

Go for it boss.

[paraclete]

Originally Posted by talaniman
Well hell, how the freak do you tell a REAL Christian from a fake one?

Now Tal I thought you might at least know the answer to that one, the real Christians arn't the ones with guns in their hands

[smoothy]

Really... if real Christians were pacifist pansies... the Romans would have killed them all off in the 1st century AD.

[Wondergirl]

Really... if real Christians were pacifist pansies... the Romans would have killed them all off in the 1st century AD.

Check your history book to find out what 1st century Christians did (hint they didn't carry weapons). Why didn't the Romans kill them all off? Why were the Greek word ΙΧΘΥΣ and the profile of a fish so important to Christians?

Read up on Nero and what was happening with Christians in 64 A.D.

[paraclete]

Really... if real Christians were pacifist pansies... the Romans would have killed them all off in the 1st century AD

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let us examine your thesis for a moment smoothy, how many battles did the Christians fight with the Roman's in the first century or any century for that matter? and yet, christianity became the dominant religion in the Roman empire and throughtout the world. Unlike Islam, christianity doesn't rely on conquest to spread the truth. It seems pacifist or at least christian views were important and scripture tells us the might of our arm will fail

the Christians didn't rely on military might to survive and prosper.

[talaniman]

How did Christianity get to Europe? I guess it had nothing to do with conquering it by the Romans.

[paraclete]

As I recall Tal it spread by word of mouth and the efforts of Peter and Paul who both went to Rome and died there, but there were others since it began in Judea and the population of Judea was dispersed by the Romans. Yes it did follow the Romans but they had already conquered a large part of Europe before the Christians came along. Christianity spread to places like India and Ethiopia without benefit of armies and even people like the Vikings eventually became christian without being conquered

[Catsmine]

Back to the donuts. Any LEO would have to be kinda stupid to eat one of Ex's product if he felt that way. Same thing about the guys with the wedding cake. If he HAS to make it by court order, I REALLY don't want to taste it.

[tomder55]

Tried to make that point earlier (#39) . The point is that this law Arizona is contemplating supports the right of freedom of association. That makes it the opposite of Jim Crow laws which codified a prevention of freedom of association. By statute ,whites and blacks were denied the right to associate in the market place. Laws forcing people to associate are just as perverse.

[speechlesstx]

Back to the donuts. Any LEO would have to be kinda stupid to eat one of Ex's product if he felt that way. Same thing about the guys with the wedding cake. If he HAS to make it by court order, I REALLY don't want to taste it.

That makes 3 of us who tried to make that point. I'd much rather just go somewhere that wants my business and we can all be happy.

[speechlesstx]

In that vein, I believe Kevin Williamson hit the nail squarely on the head.

Until the Whole Is Leavened | National Review Online

Try turning the moral math around as a thought experiment: Imagine you are the gay owner of a restaurant in Chelsea, a member in good standing of the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, rainbow flag flying out front — and the cretins from the Westboro Baptist Church decide that they want to rent your party room for their annual “God Hates Fags” Sunday brunch. Shouldn’t you have the right to refuse? There is in this sad world such a thing as a Ku Klux Klan wedding — should the management of Harlem’s famous Sylvia’s Restaurant be prosecuted under civil-rights law if the establishment should decline to cater such a wedding? It is impossible for me to imagine that that should be the case.

Be careful what you wish for.

[excon]

Hello again,

If I were IN the doughnut business, I wouldn't name it, "I Hate Cops Doughnut Shoppe".

Interestingly, I was IN the security business, though. I worked closely with cops every day. They had NO idea who I was, and they LOVED my product. No, I didn't tell them what I thought of them.

I did DO do one of them. She could only get off if she was wearing her gun. It was just kinky enough for me.

Here's another cop story... Some of you know that I did some "extra" work on a couple movies. In one, I played a cop. They gave us REAL cop uniforms, and we were filming AT their headquarters... Well, I had to use the facilities, so I went inside. As I'm walking down the hall, a prisoner started WHACKING the cop who was escorting him someplace... This cop kept looking at me and YELLING for me to jump in. But, I just watched. What?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Changing the subject, eh?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Changing the subject, eh?

Will I EVER convince you that discrimination is ANTITHETICAL to the American way? That it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL? That it's MEAN spirited?? That it's the OPPOSITE of freedom??

Nahhhh... Might as well talk about fun stuff.

excon

PS> (edited) In terms of toms hope and dream that we go back to a world where one was FREE to associate with whom one chose, it resulted ME being discriminated against. I didn't LIKE it. More than likely, YOU wingers, are WHITE, and haven't ever felt the pain of somebody NOT liking you because of who you are...

Now, I KNOW you don't understand any of this, and THAT is the major problem we suffer as a country... And, it's getting WORSE.

I'm DONE!

Ok, NO I'm not, because I KNOW you'll bring up how much Christians and white people are discriminated against... If that wasn't so outrageous, it would be funny... But, that's what you believe, isn't it???

[Wondergirl]

Hello again, Steve:Will I EVER convince you that discrimination is ANTITHETICAL to the American way? That it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL? That it's MEAN spirited?? That it's the OPPOSITE of freedom?? That it WILL be overturned??

Actually, discrimination is the very antithesis of Christianity too. Jesus said in the Beatitudes to turn the other cheek and St. Paul said your kindness will heap coals of fire on an enemy's head. If I'm a Christian gay and own a restaurant that the Westboro Baptist Church wants to party in, I'd do so (and not even pollute their food). They've got the problem, not me. Maybe, just maybe, it would be the beginning of opening a heart or two and changing a mind.

P.S. Added in response to ex's P.S. Try being female in a conservative white (Christian) patriarchal society.

[Catsmine]

Hello again,

If I were IN the doughnut business, I wouldn't name it, "I Hate Cops Doughnut Shoppe".

Interestingly, I was IN the security business, though. I worked closely with cops every day. They had NO idea who I was, and they LOVED my product. No, I didn't tell them what I thought of them.

...

excon

So you would deceive them. That's expected. Most Lefty Bigots are really really good at lying.

[talaniman]

Its not deception when you keep personal BS to yourself and act like a decent human being.