[Tuttyd]

Phil is doing what most people do when confronted with an undeniable situation. Obviously there is no point is denying that segregation existed, but it is always possible resort to a minimalist explanation.

For example, one could say in relation to any number of historical situations:

"Yes, things were bad, but not as bad as people make out. It was my experience at the time..."

[tomder55]

No he didn't . What he did was point out the undeniable truth that there have been terrible negative consequences with the remedies that were applied. Look ,the guy isn't that articulate ,so it is easy for his critics to read his words and distort them. There was one idiot ( John McIntyre of the Baltimore Sun)who made the claim that Robertson said blacks were better off as slaves. He made a later retraction that was probably not read by his readership.
The Duck Dynasts - baltimoresun.com
Cavan Sieczkowski of Huffpo wrote that Robertson “claims black people were happy pre-civil rights.” He then took Robertson on for supposedly condoning Jim Crow laws.This line of reasoning went viral ;and there is NOTHING in his words that leads one to make that claim ;or the contention you make .

[tomder55]

Here is Professor Walter Williams making the same argument that Robertson made.....

During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do and that is to destroy the black family."

The Weekend Interview with Walter Williams: The State Against Blacks - WSJ.com

“The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.”

War on Poverty Revisited | Capitalism MagazineCapitalism Magazine
(correction the 2nd link is from Thomas Sowell an economist)

[Tuttyd]

Ok then, I haven't been following the tread for a few days. Can you point out or provide the quote that says he was pointing out the undeniable truth that there has been terrible negative consequences with the remedies that have been applied.

[tomder55]

Sure .Here is the entire quote .There is no other context because it was included in a blurb and was not part of the article in GQ .

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once,” he said. “Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field … They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Gives Drew Magary a Tour

Note he used the words pre-entitlement and pre-welfare and NOT pre-civil rights.

[speechlesstx]

If anything from that blurb I get the sense that Phil was influenced by their attitude in spite of their circumstances, certainly not calling for a return to Jim Crow or endorsing oppression. I'd like to have heard the conversation leading up to that quote but alas that was omitted leaving the door wide open to speculation and slim hope for any rational discussion.

[Tuttyd]

Yes, but this does not stop him providing a minimalist interpretation of events during that era. It is possible to do both.

[excon]

Hello again, wrong wingers:

Somehow, I'm getting the sense that you think black people were BETTER off under Jim Crow, than they were under the welfare, entitlement state. If I'm right, or even SLIGHTLY right (and I AM), you are VERY VERY wrong.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, wrong wingers:

Somehow, I'm getting the sense that you think black people were BETTER off under Jim Crow, than they were under the welfare, entitlement state. If I'm right, or even SLIGHTLY right (and I AM), you are VERY VERY wrong.

excon

One would expect that interpretation from you but you would be wrong. Freedom is what makes us better, and especially the type of freedoms Phil Robertson is referring to but that's a message you culture enforcers can't see. You think being a slave to the state makes them better.

[talaniman]

Phil's freedom is back to the woods, which is great if that's the way you want to live but us urbanites rather go to Kroger to get dinner than the back yard with a rifle. No problem, to each his own. I never look at Duck Dynasty, but love the Alaskan reality shows.

My point was that Phil saw things one way, and the black people saw that time completely different. That's why I referenced Bill Russell's book to at least let you see that others from that same region had a completely different experience.

You and Phil don't seem to get that and that's okay, just don't call me a liar for pointing out the flaws in your logic, or the differences in our faith, and practices, Speech. Those personal insults and name calling are NOT conducive to listening that leads to respect, love, or tolerance, or acceptance as FACTS.



Thanks for the research Tom, very insightful.

[speechlesstx]

Oh spare me the indignant outrage and lecture on tolerance and insults. Do you need a mirror? Your entire argument is based on assumptions, insulting my intelligence and intolerance of Phil's comments, presented with no context as to what led to his remarks. No one is disputing that everyone has differing views and experiences of the same situation, you just expect us to believe only one side is legitimate.

[talaniman]

I expect you to listen before you go into indignant insulting, self serving one sided name calling tirades. Its divisive, and non productive, even when I stoop to your level of discussion as retaliation.

[speechlesstx]

Lol, what name calling might that be, "perfect and omniscient" or "culture enforcers?" Sorry, but I call bulls*t on that one.

[speechlesstx]

While Tal is looking for those ugly names I called him, another reason MSNBC sucks. Melissa "your child is not yours but don't these tampons look great in my ears" Harris-Perry couldn't resist a segment mocking the Romneys and Republicans for their having a black adopted grandson.

Melissa Harris-Perry Panel Mocks Black Romney Grandchild As Token » The Right Scoop -

I'm sorry, but that's about as pathetic as it gets but that's typical of the guardians of all truth. I'm just surprised they didn't have a segment on the evils of pro lifers not wanting to take care of children after they're born before the segue into mocking them for doing so. I bet Michael Oher is laughing along with them.

[talaniman]

Dude, as long as you continue this faux war on women meme and lie about voter Id, which most people support and I've already shown increased turnout in texas, don't preach to me about having an honest discussion. I was totally honest in my response.

You called me a liar, even though it was your own republican party officials who said the purpose of the voter ID laws was to suppress democratic voters. We have links. I never questioned your honesty or called you a liar, so don't question mine or ever call me a liar. We can disagree with out the personal character assassination can't we FRIEND(?).

[speechlesstx]

You said Republicans were BANNING voting rights and that's an outright lie. I will call it what it is, friend or no. It is a lie, voter ID is not a ban, it protects the integrity of the vote, turnout increased in Texas, and the people support it...and none of that was relevant to this discussion.

[speechlesstx]

Supreme Court Throws Out Ruling Blocking Texas Voter ID Law

And, SCOTUS continues to allow voter ID laws, so get over it. At least we don't mock people for adopting a child.

[tomder55]

MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry was forced to offer an apology to the Romney family after a panel on her show mocked the fact that one of Mitt Romney's adopted grandchildren is black (adopted infant son of Mitt's son, Ben, and his wife, Andelyne).

Attachment 45396

The Romney family Christmas card was featured in the "Nerdland plays Caption That!" segment of her show
Her apology came in cowardly "tweets" .If she was really sincere ,she's pick up the phone and call Mitt Romney personally .

[speechlesstx]

Did you see the other "apologies" offered by her enlightened guests?

Melissa Harris-Perry Guests from Romney Grandson Segment Offer Various 'Apologies' on Twitter | Mediaite

Yeah, some real courage there. But what would you expect from such profound thinkers?

[speechlesstx]

P. S. I have an adopted niece that is black, that picture could just as well have been my family just like many others the panel in essence mocked right along with the Romneys.