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    #141

    Dec 20, 2013, 07:18 AM
    This has nothing to so with free speech, it's a business decision by A&E. Not really worth our time in the grand scheme of things.
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    #142

    Dec 20, 2013, 07:21 AM
    A&E's business sense sucks then . There are more people signing the petition against A&Es decision than there are signing up for Obamacare . I'm sure there are many other cable outlets more than willing to air the show .
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    #143

    Dec 20, 2013, 07:26 AM
    What has he done to discriminate except to express his religious beliefs ? Sorry ,it aint no secret that Christians think the homosexual act a sin.
    Hello again, tom:

    But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog?? Or, that if we allow homosexual marriage, it MEANS that we're gonna allow man on dog NEXT???

    Although it remains UNSAID, the obvious conclusion to your religious principles, IS discrimination... I just went right to the HEART of the issue, like I DO. You can PRETEND that's NOT what you want to do, but you don't fool me.

    Nobody wants to STOP this guy from speaking.. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your free speech. The law cannot prosecute you for saying what you think, but people are perfectly free to dislike and shun you if you say despicable things.

    They also have the right to FIRE you. I understand the family is pushing back. The REAL controversy here, is whether the network has a conscience, or a board of directors.

    In any case, the show has lost its luster.. It's NEVER gonna be the top show again. I dunno WHY it was in the first place.

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    #144

    Dec 20, 2013, 07:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog?? Or, that if we allow homosexual marriage, it MEANS that we're gonna allow man on dog NEXT???
    Again, you aren't arguing honestly. He did not equate homosexuality with bestiality, but even if he did what's that to you? Your side equates Republicans with terrorists and Jonestown cultists. You regularly mock Christians, the uniter-in-chief called us bitter clingers. You have no problem whatsoever impugning, insulting, offending, calling us haters, accuse of waging wars on women, anti-science flat-earthers and discriminating so spare me the faux outrage, you guys need to clean up your own act.

    Although it remains UNSAID, the obvious conclusion to your religious principles, IS discrimination... I just went right to the HEART of the issue, like I DO. You can PRETEND that's NOT what you want to do, but you don't fool me.
    Bullsh*t.

    Nobody wants to STOP this guy from speaking.. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your free speech. The law cannot prosecute you for saying what you think, but people are perfectly free to dislike and shun you if you say despicable things.

    They also have the right to FIRE you. I understand the family is pushing back. The REAL controversy here, is whether the network has a conscience, or a board of directors.
    No one said there couldn't be consequences, A&E has every right to be intolerant, a$$hole hypocrites.

    In any case, the show has lost its luster.. It's NEVER gonna be the top show again. I dunno WHY it was in the first place.
    Nah, another network would be more than happy to take it on the following will continue. This intolerant nonsense is making them even more popular.
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    #145

    Dec 20, 2013, 08:04 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    Bullsh*t.
    Are you telling me that you DIDN'T fight every push to legalize gay marriage... And that you WOULDN'T make it ILLEGAL again, IF you got a right wing congress and a right wing president????

    Who the HELL are you trying to kid???

    While we're at it, you SAY that you wouldn't make contraceptives ILLEGAL if you get that majority, but you and I BOTH know different...

    Let's talk about abortion too. As MUCH as you SAY that you wouldn't make abortion illegal again, you're NOT fooling me. If you get that majority, that's EXACTLY what you'll do. EVERYBODY knows that. YOU know that. TAL knows that. Tom knows that. NK and smoothy know that. Our Aussie friends know that.

    I dunno WHY you just don't SAY those things. Oh, YES I do.. It's because it would be RIDICULED just like this red neck was ridiculed.

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    #146

    Dec 20, 2013, 08:16 AM
    I'm not fighting the gay marriage fight one way or another. Try and stick to facts in evidence, which are Phil Robertson is a Christian and GLAAD and A&E are intolerant of Christians.
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    #147

    Dec 20, 2013, 08:40 AM
    But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog??
    No and neither does Phil Robertson .The only way to come to that conclusion is to distort what he said.
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    #148

    Dec 20, 2013, 09:41 AM
    He also said, in the same interview,

    'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson Claims Black People Were 'Happy' Pre-Civil Rights

    The 67-year-old journeyed from substance abuse to devotion to God to small-screen celebrity, all in the backwoods of Louisiana. According to Robertson, growing up in those Louisiana backwoods in the pre-civil rights era was not bad for black people.

    “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
    But of course all the right cares about is his right to insult sinners. But the ones he insulted had no right to express their views,

    The Human Rights Campaign and the NAACP wrote a joint letter to the president of A&E, expressing deep concern over Robertson's remarks:

    We want to be clear why Phil Robertson's remarks are not just dangerous but also inaccurate. Mr. Robertson claims that, from what he saw, African Americans were happier under Jim Crow. What he didn't see were lynching and beatings of black men and women for attempting to vote or simply walking down the street. And his offensive claims about gay people fly in the face of science. In fact, it's important to note that every single leading medical organization in the country has said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being [lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender] -- it's not a choice, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous.
    Another example of rock throwers who can't believe people throw rocks back, and hiding behind their rights while claiming to be a victim of the rights of others.
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    #149

    Dec 20, 2013, 09:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So now he's supposed to be whipped around by the thought police for showing us what is was like where he was from?

    But of course all the right cares about is his right to insult sinners. But the ones he insulted had no right to express their views,
    That's a straw man. The only ones trying to suppress anyone's rights are the people exacting punishment for him exercising his.


    Another example of rock throwers who can't believe people throw rocks back, and hiding behind their rights while claiming to be a victim of the rights of others.
    What is this, opposite day? At least there is one lib who agrees with me about the bigger issue:

    Look, I don’t always practice what I preach. In fact, I’m quick to make rash judgments. Often I regret them. And I don’t believe in a kum-ba-yah world in which all differences between people can be resolved by talking it through. But I don’t want to live in a world in which only the bland or those who validate the prejudices of the cultural elite (against country people, against conservative Evangelicals, against Southerners, etc.) have a place in the public square.

    The problem is that those in cultural power love to talk loud and long about diversity, but what they really want is everyone to march in lock-step agreement, or else.
    Scream, holler, throw rocks all you want - we refuse to be your mindless, spineless, puppets.
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    #150

    Dec 20, 2013, 10:07 AM
    Now you know I defend your rights to be the mindless, spineless, puppet to whatever you want, and I reserve the right to blast you on it.
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    #151

    Dec 20, 2013, 10:32 AM
    He also said this in the interview.
    We never, ever judge someone on who's going to heaven, hell. That's the Almighty's job,” .... “We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus—whether they're homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort 'em out later, you see what I'm saying?
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    #152

    Dec 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
    give ’em the good news about Jesus
    Some of us refuse your indoctrination attempts. To each his own.
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    #153

    Dec 20, 2013, 12:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It's come to this, Obama's OFA is once again invading our holidays with Obamacare, featuring ... Pajamaboy.



    Naturally, intense mockery ensues. I miss the days when grownups ran the country.

    Not be outdone, some gay group has their own Obamacare marketing plan...



    I have no words. I'm sure Phil Robertson doesn't either.
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    #154

    Dec 20, 2013, 12:38 PM
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    #155

    Dec 20, 2013, 01:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    To each his own.
    So Phil should be free to be Phil without the elite thought police coming down on him.
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    #156

    Dec 20, 2013, 01:50 PM
    You want to control the free market? I thought you hated that?

    Phil can be Phil and he is being Phil - who's stopping him?
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    #157

    Dec 20, 2013, 08:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You want to control the free market? I thought you hated that?

    Phil can be Phil and he is being Phil - who's stopping him?
    Stop? I doubt they'll stop Phil but the elitists that cheer diversity and free speech as long as it agrees with them are darn sure trying to suppress him. Now if he were a Clinton that signed DOMA or an obviously homophobic Alec Baldwin they'd give him an award.
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    #158

    Dec 21, 2013, 06:54 AM
    He hasn't been suppressed at all just criticized. Let not forget the new season of Duck Dynasty has been shot and paid for and scheduled, so his suspension is for the following season and a lot can happen until then. A&E has a right to separate themselves from Phil's views, and deal with their employees but the free publicity won't hurt, and gives the right a lot of red meat to holler about their rights and Christian again. Nowhere has the right acknowledged the rights of everybody else to criticize his comments, while they play victims yet again.

    And Sarah can wear her duck dynasty outfit, in front of a fireplace and camera.
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    #159

    Dec 21, 2013, 07:11 AM
    Don't kid yourself, the entire artificial exercise was meant to silence him or beat him into submission. And enough of the straw man, most on the right have acknowledged the the Artificial & Elitist network's right to can him and your right to criticize Phil, so argue honestly. What is outrageous is the expectation of being able to be as vile and foul as you want toward Christians with impunity while demanding we shut up and genuflect to the PC gods. Too damn bad we fight back at the hypocrisy.
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    #160

    Dec 21, 2013, 07:24 AM
    It's a false battle you guys wage as the criticism has been toward one person and what he said, and started with push back by the ones that felt insulted, gays, and blacks. It's the right wing who made this molehill into a mountain, and rally behind his backward thinking. Like he, or you guys represent ALL Christians.

    His detractors have been other Christians.

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