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    #441

    Dec 19, 2013, 09:26 AM
    Latest health insurer tactic according to CNN.
    Can't drop the costly patient, so drop the costly patient's Dr. from the plan and hope the patient follows.
    Docs say insurers dropping them in hopes their costly patients follow - CNN.com
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    #442

    Dec 19, 2013, 09:29 AM
    "No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period." -Barack Obama
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    Dec 19, 2013, 09:39 AM
    Latest health insurer tactic according to CNN.
    Can't drop the costly patient, so drop the costly patient's Dr. from the plan and hope the patient follows.
    Docs say insurers dropping them in hopes their costly patients follow - CNN.com
    What you didn't think they would figure out a way to save money and get around the law? That's why they pay lawyers and accountants the big bucks.

    "No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period." -Barack Obama
    You may want to keep your doctor, but he may not want to keep your insurance. Drop your insurance and pay cash, or go with insurance he does take.
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    #444

    Dec 19, 2013, 09:43 AM
    And once again there is no consequence of this crap sandwich worthy of Tal placing the blame where it belongs.
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    #445

    Dec 19, 2013, 09:46 AM
    "You may want to keep your doctor, but he may not want to keep your insurance."
    or your insurance may not want to keep your Dr.

    Hey tal, why you always want to try and tell people what they think or should think?
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    #446

    Dec 19, 2013, 09:49 AM
    Good question, but I know the answer.
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    #447

    Dec 19, 2013, 10:00 AM
    Because your version of the truth is so inadequate to someone who has been through this crap long before Obama or the laws he passed. Why you don't remember or acknowledge it is beyond me.

    I really don't care what others think, or whether you care what I think, you can take or leave my opinion, as I often reject yours, or others. You can do whatever you want because I always have. Always will. That's fair ain't it? :D
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    #448

    Dec 19, 2013, 10:03 AM
    Dude, when I agree more with a Daily Kos blogger than you that should be time to step back and see who's really telling the true story.
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    #449

    Dec 19, 2013, 10:36 AM
    Thriving and surviving no matter what the story, and who tells it, is my priority. That's my truth.
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    #450

    Dec 19, 2013, 10:37 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    see who's really telling the true story.
    It's the 3rd inning, and nobody is saying that you AREN'T ahead..

    But, the game has been rigged... You CAN'T win. EVERYBODY wants health insurance, and NOW they can get it. You gotta be bonkers to think they wouldn't.

    Lemme ask you this. Your insurance is gonna cost you a grand more per year. But, you're GONNA pay it, aren't you??? That's because EVERYBODY wants health insurance.

    excon
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    #451

    Dec 19, 2013, 10:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    It's the 3rd inning, and nobody is saying that you AREN'T ahead..

    But, the game has been rigged... You CAN'T win. EVERYBODY wants health insurance, and NOW they can get it. You gotta be bonkers to think they wouldn't.

    Lemme ask you this. Your insurance is gonna cost you a grand more per year. But, you're GONNA pay it, aren't you??? That's because EVERYBODY wants health insurance.

    excon
    What part of I want people to have insurance too but we're pi$$ed off about being lied to repeatedly and being stuck with crappier insurance that costs us more when we already had bills to pay do you not get? Most people were quite satisfied before you guys came in and screwed it up for everyone instead of fixing it for the few.
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    #452

    Dec 19, 2013, 11:50 AM
    Admit it the price of everything is bigger than your check, and one is going up, and the other ain't. Guess which is which?

    The truth is we have all been getting screwed for YEARS, and DECADES. Even the price of Vaseline has gone up. But you probably never paid attention until it started to hurt your butt.
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    #453

    Dec 19, 2013, 11:56 AM
    Admit it the price of everything is bigger than your check, and one is going up, and the other ain't. Guess which is which?
    Vaseline doesn't cost me $1000 a year more. I can do without Vaseline, I can budget for a few bucks here and a few bucks there, a thousand dollar CHUNK is a problem. Admit it, you really don't givea crap about how it's affecting people, you only care about the agenda.
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    #454

    Dec 19, 2013, 12:12 PM
    Even the price of Vaseline has gone up. But you probably never paid attention until it started to hurt your butt.
    What are you suggesting ?
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    #455

    Dec 19, 2013, 12:14 PM
    Good question.
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    #456

    Dec 19, 2013, 12:52 PM
    I think it was an anal sex joke.
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    #457

    Dec 19, 2013, 01:21 PM
    I suggest vote in your own interest based on facts and not just ideology. My hardworking sore a$$ needs a helluva raise to afford enough Vaseline to make it stop hurting. ME! Not the boss, not the president... ME!!

    The rest of that psycho babble is irrelevant... SHOW ME THE MONEY!!
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    #458

    Dec 19, 2013, 02:35 PM
    Hello again, Steve:
    you really don't givea crap about how it's affecting people, you only care about the agenda.
    If the agenda includes getting health insurance to 30 million people who've NEVER had it before, then count me in...

    Some people don't WANT the benefits Obamacare brings to them... I've mentioned them to you several time, and you ignore it. To me, the Obamacare PROMISE that they can NEVER throw me off, no matter HOW sick I get, or no matter HOW much my care costs, is a benefit WORTH paying for... That, and that alone is worth MORE than a $1,000 per year.

    excon
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    #459

    Dec 19, 2013, 03:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    If the agenda includes getting health insurance to 30 million people who've NEVER had it before, then count me in...

    Some people don't WANT the benefits Obamacare brings to them... I've mentioned them to you several time, and you ignore it. To me, the Obamacare PROMISE that they can NEVER throw me off, no matter HOW sick I get, or no matter HOW much my care costs, is a benefit WORTH paying for... That, and that alone is worth MORE than a $1,000 per year.

    excon
    I think that could have been accomplished much better than the crap sandwich you guys keep defending at all cost.
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    Dec 19, 2013, 04:58 PM
    I think that could have been accomplished much better than the crap sandwich you guys keep defending at all cost.
    I think you are right, but there are certain idelogical barriers that perhaps it was too soon to overcome.

    When you decide that "for the people" really means what it says, perhaps you will get there. 150 years ago the republicans were willing to fight a war to right a wrong, today they fight a war to preserve a wrong. What is so different about lifting people from slavery and lifting people from misery.

    the implementation is a mess, perhaps if it had been approached from a bipartisan perspective you would have had a better outcome, if you hadn't taken certain options off the table and if you had reformed the whole system.. but some things are just too hard

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