[speechlesstx]

Yes, it takes a village, your children are not your children, etc. etc.

[smearcase]

This a comment/analogy that one of the reader's of that Chicago Tribune article (from speech's post) submitted. He made an error in that he should have referred to being "taxed" instead of "fined", to satisfy the supremes.

His comment:
(Quote) The U.S. government has just passed a new law called: "The affordable boat act" declaring that every citizen MUST purchase a new boat, by April 2014. These "affordable" boats will cost an average of $54,000-$155,000 each. This does not include taxes, trailers, towing fees, licensing and registration fees, fuel, docking and storage fees, maintenance or repair costs.

This law has been passed, because until now, typically only wealthy and financially responsible people have been able to purchase boats. This new laws ensures that every American can now have an "affordable" boat of their own, because everyone is "entitled" to a new boat. If you purchase your boat before the end of the year, you will receive 4 "free" life jackets; not including monthly usage fees.

In order to make sure everyone purchases an affordable boat, the costs of owning a boat will increase on average of 250-400% per year. This way, wealthy people will pay more for something that other people don't want or can't afford to maintain. But to be fair, people who can’t afford to maintain their boat will be regularly fined and children (under the age of 26) can use their parent’s boats to party on until they turn 27; then must purchase their own boat.

If you already have a boat, you can keep yours (just kidding; no you can't). If you don't want or don't need a boat, you are required to buy one anyhow. If you refuse to buy one or can’t afford one, you will be regularly fined $800 until you purchase one or face imprisonment.

Failure to use the boat will also result in fines. People living in the desert; ghettos; inner cities or areas with no access to lakes are not exempt. Age, motion sickness, experience, knowledge nor lack of desire are acceptable excuses for not using your boat.

A government review board (that doesn't know the difference between the port, starboard or stern of a boat) will decide everything, including; when, where, how often and for what purposes you can use your boat along with how many people can ride your boat and determine if one is too old or healthy enough to be able to use their boat. They will also decide if your boat has out lived its usefulness or if you must purchase specific accessories, (like a $500 compass) or a newer and more expensive boat.

Those that can afford yachts will be required to do so...it’s only fair. The government will also decide the name for each boat. Failure to comply with these rules will result in fines and possible imprisonment.

Government officials are exempt from this new law. If they want a boat, they and their families can obtain boats free, at the expense of tax payers. Unions, bankers and mega companies with large political affiliations ($$$) are also exempt.

If the government can force you to buy health care, they can force you to buy a boat....or ANYTHING else...

Yea...it's that stupid... (End Quote)

The only answer is for the government to simply give every citizen a boat whether they want one or not = Medicare for All, aka Single Payer. I know I'll be called a conspiracy theory nut but I can't get off the theory that the plan (after they knew they couldn't get single payer passed) was to accept whatever they could get out of the ACA bill, knowing it would create chaos. When half the citizens are deluging their reps phone lines, a few months before 2014 elections, will they cave and pass single payer at lightning speed?

[paraclete]

Very droll smearcase, the ACA, like much of legislation, is a camel and you can have one hump or two but you must own a camel and give up breeding horses, Failure to feed your camel will result in fines and every member of your family may ride on your camel. A word of warning, camels are cantankerous beasts and have been known to bite and spit

[speechlesstx]

Ah the holidays, time to enjoy fun, food, family, fellowship and if you're so inclined, football. And prepared talking points from your crazy liberal uncle courtesy of Obama's Organizing For America.

Just like the creepy cult they are they want you to "Pledge to have the talk." Apparently we should all stop being thankful for trivial things like heat, food, family and friends, we should be thankful for mandates, higher premiums, higher deductibles, higher copays, fewer provider choices, our new formerly full time job and being pushed onto the exchanges where we can shop on a non-functional website that may or not allow you to compare prices, give a subsidy you may lose and if you get that far, send un-garbled info to the insurance company.

Instead of bringing your green bean casserole be sure and bring your packing list:

Are your family members traveling home for the holidays? There are a few things they’ll need to sign up for health coverage. Make sure they bring the following items with them before they head home.

PACKING LIST

In order to shop on the new health insurance marketplace, you’ll need to have a few basic pieces of information with you:

1. Your Social Security Number

2. Information about your employer and income— either a pay stub or a copy of your most recent W-2 tax form

3. If you currently have health insurance, you’ll need your health insurance card or paperwork that includes a health policy number

Of course, I would never think of going to a family gathering without my SS number, a check stub and my last W-2.

Furthermore, forget the pumpkin pie, be ready for the discount double check:

DOUBLE CHECK

Here are some common things to think about before getting started:

1. Your budget: What is your budget? How much can you afford to pay each month for health coverage?

2. Existing insurance: Is health insurance currently offered through your job?

3.Current costs: If you do currently have coverage, what are your costs?

4.Coverage Goals: What kind of coverage are you looking for? There are lots of options based on what you want and how much you want to pay.

And before you get started be prepared to catch a turkey leg across your jaw, because if anyone takes this regime's advice to spoil my Thanksgiving I'm going to make certain they won't be able to open their mouth again until after Christmas.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno what you're saying, but it sounds like you don't think people should examine their health insurance options.

Really?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno what you're saying, but it sounds like you don't think people should examine their health insurance options.

Really?

excon

I'm saying what you would have said before Obama, leave us the hell alone. Can we not enjoy a Thanksgiving dinner without you trying to insert your creepy propaganda? I mean really ex, this is beyond the pale, I don't need any freaking government nanny and I am appalled by the arrogance it takes to put something like this out. I am fed up with Obama and his minions trying to invade every aspect of my life. In short, if it comes up at my house I have 3 words, go screw yourself. But I won't be that nice about it. Just say Happy Thanksgiving instead and shut the hell up.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

In short, if it comes up at my house I have 3 words, go screw yourself. But I won't be that nice about it. Just say Happy Thanksgiving instead and shut the hell up.

So, your family has to walk on eggshells over the holiday??? That ain't good. Stop being so grumpy. In MY house, we talk about EVERYTHING.

Happy Thanksgiving.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
So, your family has to walk on eggshells over the holiday??? That ain't good. Stop being so grumpy. In MY house, we talk about EVERYTHING.

Happy Thanksgiving.

excon

If you want to have the talk be my guest. If you try and push your creepy spoon-fed talking points in MY house on Thanksgiving be prepared to have a turkey leg crammed down your throat, with love.

Happy Thanksgiving.

P.S. With the current popularity of Obamacare I personally would never have asked people to push it at Thanksgiving, but not you lefties, you really want to push people's buttons about it.


Here's Every Argument You'll Need To Win Your Obamacare Debate This Thanksgiving

How To Pick a Fight With Your Relatives This Thanksgiving

How about health care for Thanksgiving?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

If you try and push your creepy spoon-fed talking points in MY house

You should know that I don't carry water for anybody... You should ALSO know that MY talking points, ALL ALONG, have been, let's wait to see how it shakes out. Certainly, it's MUCH too early to assess it. It's not even been fully implemented yet... Maybe it'll fail. Maybe it won't. But, the front door isn't even open yet.

Therefore, at THIS time, it's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to tell if it's gonna work or not. Nobody knows. That includes right and/or left wingers on the radio, internet, or TV. You certainly aren't a good source of accurate information.. You still think there are death panels.

excon

[speechlesstx]

You certainly aren't a good source of accurate information.. You still think there are death panels.

excon

As if arguing on things I haven't said makes you a good source? I'll put my accuracy up against this lying regime's any day, so I'd be careful while talking about good sources of information on a scheme that was sold on a belly full of lies. I'm willing to let it fall flat, but I'll be damned if I ever ask people to push this kind of bullsh*t at the Thanksgiving table. That's the problem with Obama and the Obots, they think it's all about them and to have the audacity to exploit such a special time to have us do their bidding is breathtaking.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I'll be damned if I ever ask people to push this kind of bullsh*t at the Thanksgiving table.

If you had a relative who needed coverage because he was SICK, helping him GET insurance, so he can GET treated, is a GOOD thing. Even if your relative ISN'T sick, but STILL needs health insurance, HELPING him get it IS a good thing.

I dunno WHY you wouldn't have the audacity to do that.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
If you had a relative who needed coverage because he was SICK, helping him GET insurance, so he can GET treated, is a GOOD thing. Even if your relative ISN'T sick, but STILL needs health insurance, HELPING him get it IS a good thing.

I dunno WHY you wouldn't have the audacity to do that.

excon

Obviously you can't tell the difference between pushing propaganda, being prepared to "win Your Obamacare Debate This Thanksgiving", learning "How To Pick a Fight With Your Relatives" - and being genuinely helpful.

This is not about helping your uncle so you can stop pretending it is.

[paraclete]

This is not about helping your uncle so you can stop pretending it is

Have we concluded that the ACA isn't about helping people but about gaining political advantage

[speechlesstx]

It was never about helping people.

[talaniman]

Have we concluded that the ACA isn't about helping people but about gaining political advantage

No we haven't. The numbers of those being helped is growing. There are many that have already been helped. Political advantage will be gained by success. maybe one person at a time.

[speechlesstx]

And how many losers did you create to help those few? The whole thing was based on a throwaway campaign line, sold on lies, built on lies, executed on lies and incompetence and now they want us to pick a fight with our family at Thanksgiving because they're worried it might hurt their election chances. What part of that is about helping people?

[cdad]

I think this sums it up rather well from the Huffpost.

Talking point: The president broke his promise and now millions have lost their insurance plans. Cite a friend or somebody you know who got a cancellation notice. If you don't know anybody, pretend you do or use Edie Sundby.


The whole thing is pretend. Lets pass it and Pretend we have insurance. Lets Pretend we can keep our doctors. Lets Pretend our premiums arent going up.

This has to end or everyone will be on Pretend unemployment.

[speechlesstx]

Absolutely cdad, greenie. I think all the good Obots should take the talking points hint and offer to walk them through picking a plan. Together they can pretend the website works and pretend they bought insurance.

[tomder55]

next year 80 million more people will lose the insurance they were assured they can keep. This will happen when the employer mandate goes into effect.

[paraclete]

I'm glad we have someone who can predict the future Tom saves us thinking about it