[talaniman]

Oh come on, the charter schools they were sending some of those scholarship kids to were underperforming. Just ask the students how old the earth is and you get the idea. Look up performance of charter schools in Louisiana and you will see what I mean.

I know facts mean nothing when a good bash is to be had by the wingers.

[speechlesstx]

Oh come on, the charter schools they were sending some of those scholarship kids to were underperforming. Just ask the students how old the earth is and you get the idea. Look up performance of charter schools in Louisiana and you will see what I mean.

I know facts mean nothing when a good bash is to be had by the wingers.

In other words, you're idea of choice doesn't extend to things like healthcare and education.

[talaniman]

Choice is great based on facts and not just feelings, and why should the feds fund a program in states that go to private for profit corporations that don't teach the students enough to further their education. There have been certification and performance issues for more than 3 years at some of these schools, Speech.

All I said was look it up.

[speechlesstx]

Choice is great based on facts and not just feelings, and why should the feds fund a program in states that go to private for profit corporations that don't teach the students enough to further their education. There have been certification and performance issues for more than 3 years at some of these schools, Speech.

All I said was look it up.

And all I'm saying is what's it to you if someone dares choose something besides public education?

[cdad]

Oh come on, the charter schools they were sending some of those scholarship kids to were underperforming. Just ask the students how old the earth is and you get the idea. Look up performance of charter schools in Louisiana and you will see what I mean.

I know facts mean nothing when a good bash is to be had by the wingers.

Im not sure what your complaining about ? You don't like it when they educate children of color ?

Louisiana BAEO | Black Alliance for Educational Options

BAEO Applauds CREDO Study on Performance of Charter Schools in Louisiana


The Black Alliance for Educational Options (BAEO) was pleased to learn of the findings of the Charter School Performance in Louisiana study released today by the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) showing that Black students, in particular Black students from low-income families, perform better in charter schools than their counterparts in traditional public schools (TPS).

[talaniman]

Treating poor kids as a commodity is not an option. Some do, and its documented. Look it up!!!

Not saying all private schools are bad, but clearly some are worse than others, and its NOT confined to just Louisiana. And what do you do with the kids who don't get those scholarships?

[cdad]

And what do you do with the kids who don't get those scholarships? [/B]

That part is obvious. You use it as a wake up call and since the student pool is now lower you can make up the difference by smaller class sizes and more emphisis on education. You know. The old fashioned way when going to school actually meant getting an education and not just some social experiment.

[speechlesstx]

Choice is great based on facts and not just feelings, and why should the feds fund a program in states that go to private for profit corporations that don't teach the students enough to further their education. There have been certification and performance issues for more than 3 years at some of these schools, Speech.

All I said was look it up.

And all I'm saying is what's it to you if someone dares choose something besides public education?

[talaniman]

That part is obvious. You use it as a wake up call and since the student pool is now lower you can make up the difference by smaller class sizes and more emphisis on education. You know. The old fashioned way when going to school actually meant getting an education and not just some social experiment.

While I appreciate the link to real data, bears out what I have been saying, some charters are doing a great job, some are not. I was never against the ones with good result and have said so more than a few times, but your answer to the ones who cannot qualify for such choices cdad, is both narrow minded, and naïve, and fails miserably to recognize factors that go beyond just a social experiment. Its more inflicted social erosion than you would admit too.

I might have missed it but how many of those charter kids enrolling colleges? I will review it again.

And all I'm saying is what's it to you if someone dares choose something besides public education?

Because Speech, throwing away those that cannot have that choice is totally unacceptable. Public schools still should be about the kids whatever the challenge. Maybe that will change if they build more GREAT performing charter schools, but for now public schools still have to meet needs of kids.

[cdad]

While I appreciate the link to real data, bears out what I have been saying, some charters are doing a great job, some are not. I was never against the ones with good result and have said so more than a few times, but your answer to the ones who cannot qualify for such choices cdad, is both narrow minded, and naïve, and fails miserably to recognize factors that go beyond just a social experiment. Its more inflicted social erosion than you would admit too.

I might have missed it but how many of those charter kids enrolling colleges? I will review it again.



Because Speech, throwing away those that cannot have that choice is totally unacceptable. Public schools still should be about the kids whatever the challenge. Maybe that will change if they build more GREAT performing charter schools, but for now public schools still have to meet needs of kids.

I do understand that the system is broken. What I dont agree with is the methods being used today to correct it. It seems that instead of monitoring the bell curve and pushing students to the highest points what I percieve is they mostly shoot for the low spots and hold back the achievers.

After all this atitude of fairness is a self created utopia. Life itself isnt fair. Im not saying to leave children behind. Im saying give them the proper tools to achieve thier highest point. That may or may not be college. But give them skills to last a lifetime while you have thier attention.

Programs like basic math - learning to handle finances and how to balance a checkbook, or home economics were truely valuable for learning something that you can take with you through life. Removing programs like valdadictorian for those that do rise up is just sad.

As far as your questions on college graduation goes Here is some light reading when you have time.

Children's Aid College Prep Charter School Enrollment Application 2013-2014 | childrensaidcollegeprep

When charter schools fail, what happens to the kids? | Hechinger Report

'No Excuses' Kids Go to College : Education Next

I dont have all the answers but what I see now flat out scares me. We are falling further behind the rest of the world and not just as a social norm but also the educational processes that we have ongoing.

[Wondergirl]

I dont have all the answers but what I see now flat out scares me. We are falling further behind the rest of the world and not just as a social norm but also the educational processes that we have ongoing.

And the poorly and badly educated generation is teaching the next generation, so we slowly move down the scale.

[paraclete]

And the poorly and badly educated generation is teaching the next generation, so we slowly move down the scale.

yes the golden age is in the past now

[Wondergirl]

so we slowly move down the scale.

yes the golden age is in the past now

Why are we? And what's the fix?

My husband and I were discussing the "why" this evening. We remember memorizing tons of stuff including times tables, poetry, Bible verses, quotations. We remember doing homework appropriate to the lessons taught during the school day. We remember having handwriting and geography and art and music class. We remember recess and gym class and lunch periods, eating in the classroom with our teacher. We remember one standardized test every spring. Where did that all go?

[paraclete]

Why are we? And what's the fix?

My husband and I were discussing the "why" this evening. We remember memorizing tons of stuff including times tables, poetry, Bible verses, quotations. We remember doing homework appropriate to the lessons taught during the school day. We remember having handwriting and geography and art and music class. We remember recess and gym class and lunch periods, eating in the classroom with our teacher. We remember one standardized test every spring. Where did that all go?

to coin an old saying blown in the wind

Someone devised a theory that we should stroke the egos of the young and make them feel self important, such self important individuals came to know that everything will be provided and you don't need to know anything

[Wondergirl]

to coin an old saying blown in the wind

Someone devised a theory that we should stroke the egos of the young and make them feel self important, such self important individuals came to know that everything will be provided and you don't need to know anything

Yup. And instead of bigger school cranking out grads like they're on an assembly line, let's go back to small schools, making for more teaching jobs (after we train the teachers and choose them well) and better individualized and group instruction. But then, back in my day, bullying was uncommon, no one had peanut allergies, and girls didn't get pregnant until they were married women. I guess I'm unrealistic.

[paraclete]

not at all in some societies that is still so, it requires discipline, the other ingredient that is missing

[speechlesstx]

Because Speech, throwing away those that cannot have that choice is totally unacceptable. Public schools still should be about the kids whatever the challenge. Maybe that will change if they build more GREAT performing charter schools, but for now public schools still have to meet needs of kids.

You didn't really just say something to me about "throwing away" kids. Irony alert.

Tal, the answer is certainly not forcing at risk children to stay in a bad school when they have a chance at something better.

[tomder55]

Why are we? And what's the fix?

My husband and I were discussing the "why" this evening. We remember memorizing tons of stuff including times tables, poetry, Bible verses, quotations. We remember doing homework appropriate to the lessons taught during the school day. We remember having handwriting and geography and art and music class. We remember recess and gym class and lunch periods, eating in the classroom with our teacher. We remember one standardized test every spring. Where did that all go?

The latest slide down the ladder is called "Common Core " indoctination (from section 'Possessive Nouns'):

5. The commands of government officials must be obeyed by all.
Government officials' commands must be obeyed by all.


6. The wants of an individual are less important than the well-being of the nation.
An individual's wants are less important than the nation's well-being.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...ent-worksheet/

[speechlesstx]

The latest slide down the ladder is called "Common Core " indoctination (from section 'Possessive Nouns'):

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...ent-worksheet/

Using grammar to indoctrinate. Hey, while we're teaching them how to construct a sentence let's just fill their heads with progressive muck.

[NeedKarma]

Where did Fox get that slideshow? Who uses it in schools?
Is it part of a news report, if so where is it?