[NeedKarma]

Not on this side of the equator

(Tutty)

Nor here. Must be an american thing.

[paraclete]

Nor here. Must be an american thing.

You can't tell them that karma, they think that place is utopia, hey the scenery is nice, but

[speechlesstx]

It's all in a definition Tutt, what Churchill was speaking of was communism. Socialism is a society organised to bring the greater good to as many as possible whereas capitalism is a society organised to bring the greater good to those possessing the means of production.

Our implementation of liberal values and socialist economic theory has indeed brought the greater good to the greatest number without stopping capitalistic endeavour. Tom doesn't realise that such things are possible, for him it is all or nothing

So what's Greece's excuse?

[paraclete]

So what's Greece's excuse?

To achieve it you have to be reasonable, pay some tax, (Greek mistake number one), limit the public service (Greek mistake number two), not borrow more than you can repay (Greek mistake number three), the other thing is you have to have a philosopy of sharing. When an industry is failing or becomes uncompetative you have to let it go

[speechlesstx]

The reality; Democrats rushed through a "complex and intricate" law no one wanted or read and had no bipartisan support. The regime carved out special rules for special interests (with a "union fix" likely coming) and had 3 years to implement, build exchanges and a website.

Insurance companies, who have to comply with the laws and don't write the laws prepared and did their part. So who's responsible for the current disaster? That's right, the insurance companies.

Democratic lawmakers have taken a more aggressive posture, however. They are pressuring the industry to take responsibility for hundreds of thousands of people who want to keep their insurance plans but could not until this past week because they failed to meet ObamaCare’s requirements.

They say the ball is now in the industry’s court after the president announced his administration would let companies continue to offer plans that do not meet the law’s standards if people want to keep them.

“What we have to do is have all legislators team up and call upon the insurance industry to honor their side of the bargain because it requires not only the government side but it requires the insurance companies to keep offering the policies and not cancel them on folks,” said Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.).

“I’ll be calling on insurance companies to continue to extend the individual plans that citizens currently have,” he said.

A senior Senate Democratic aide said companies should take advantage of the one-year administrative fix Obama announced Thursday.

“This now rests at the feet of the insurance companies. They’re the ones that have to step up and make the plans available,” the aide said.

You know, if I were depending on the insurance companies to cooperate in carrying out your holy grail of legislation I wouldn't start by REQUIRING them to offer different policies while lying to the American people about them being able to keep their plans, and then REQUIRING them to do a quick 180 AFTER they did what YOU REQUIRED them to do.

But that's me, and I have more integrity in my little toe than these Democrats in Washington do combined. This was never about YOU, it's all about THEM. They don't give a rat's patoot about you. No Dems, it does not rest at the feet of insurance companies, you jacked it up, you live with the consequences. You DESERVE to have your sorry a$$es thrown out.

[NeedKarma]

ALL politicians act based on enriching their personal coffers - that's the only bi-partisan thing happening in all public buildings.

[speechlesstx]

ALL politicians act based on enriching their personal coffers - that's the only bi-partisan thing happening in all public buildings.

I'm not that cynical, I've know some upstanding and outstanding politicians with plenty of integrity. This however is so blatant it's infuriating, they screwed it up, they live with the fallout.

[talaniman]

The reality; Democrats rushed through a "complex and intricate" law no one wanted or read and had no bipartisan support. The regime carved out special rules for special interests (with a "union fix" likely coming) and had 3 years to implement, build exchanges and a website.

Insurance companies, who have to comply with the laws and don't write the laws prepared and did their part. So who's responsible for the current disaster? That's right, the insurance companies.



You know, if I were depending on the insurance companies to cooperate in carrying out your holy grail of legislation I wouldn't start by REQUIRING them to offer different policies while lying to the American people about them being able to keep their plans, and then REQUIRING them to do a quick 180 AFTER they did what YOU REQUIRED them to do.

But that's me, and I have more integrity in my little toe than these Democrats in Washington do combined. This was never about YOU, it's all about THEM. They don't give a rat's patoot about you. No Dems, it does not rest at the feet of insurance companies, you jacked it up, you live with the consequences. You DESERVE to have your sorry a$$es thrown out.

Vote 2014, that's where the rubber meets the road. See you at the polls.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

The reality; Democrats rushed through a "complex and intricate" law no one wanted

Let's review, shall we?

The Republicans’ hostile rhetoric regarding the law is driven from the belief that Obamacare is unpopular among Americans, but is that true? Well, it is true that more Americans are opposing the law than supporting it as many polls have shown, but those are not the majority. The Kaiser Family Foundation poll shows that 43 percent of Americans oppose the law versus 39 percent who supports it. While 17 percent are either unsure or unfamiliar with the law. This margin is even closer among uninsured Americans as 39 percent support, 35 percent oppose, and 26 percent remain unsure. According to these numbers, we can’t really say that Americans are opposing the healthcare law as we have nearly half of the nation supporting it. Another point that is worth to mention is the fact that other polls find Americans to be overwhelmingly unfamiliar with the law as Gallup poll found that nearly 7 in 10 uninsured Americans are not familiar (%47 are not familiar “at all”) with the law changes, precisely the exchanges provision. How can we decide and speak for the public’s will against the law, if the public is overly uninformed, and in many cases, misinformed.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

I'm not interested in Progressive spin, I have already demonstrated twice to you that Americans did not vote for Obama because they wanted Obamacare and the operative word was "wanted." You find me the numbers showing Americans "wanted" Obamacare when it was being rammed through and then we'll talk. Meanwhile, you guys live with the consequences of the crap sandwich you gave us. Hope it tastes good to you.

[tomder55]

Maybe they "wanted " to keep their insurance and doctors too. It was sold to us by a massively fraudulent sales pitch ,and by grand deception . So how can anyone seriously say the people wanted it when it was based on the big lie ?

[speechlesstx]

Maybe they "wanted " to keep their insurance and doctors too. It was sold to us by a massively fraudulent sales pitch ,and by grand deception . So how can anyone seriously say the people wanted it when it was based on the big lie ?

And then there's that.

[talaniman]

Funny how you never questioned the insurance companies motives, and policies, and marketing, despites decades of gouging and raising prices. Now you defend allthat they do like they are the victims, and people are NOT.

[tomder55]

The margin for health insurance companies hovers at about 3-4 % generally. It is about 87th among 215 industries as far as profit margins go. Not that great a gig if you ask me ;especially when gvt mandates cut into margins.

[speechlesstx]

Funny how you never questioned the insurance companies motives, and policies, and marketing, despites decades of gouging and raising prices. Now you defend allthat they do like they are the victims, and people are NOT.

Market gouging or government poking and gouging, I know which poison you pick. At least in the market I have a choice.

[smoothy]

Look at how well Big Government has handled running the Post office and Social Security...

They will screw up Healthcare even worse.

[talaniman]

The margin for health insurance companies hovers at about 3-4 % generally. It is about 87th among 215 industries as far as profit margins go. Not that great a gig if you ask me ;especially when gvt mandates cut into margins.

Why do they do it, for money of course, and they make billions shuffling paper back and forth. Consumer driven revenues, guaranteed by law.

Market gouging or government poking and gouging, I know which poison you pick. At least in the market I have a choice.

You have already picked your poison, and you like it.

Look at how well Big Government has handled running the Post office and Social Security...

They will screw up Healthcare even worse.

Have you missed any mail? Or SS checks? Me either.

[smoothy]

Why do they do it, for money of course, and they make billions shuffling paper back and forth. Consumer driven revenues, guaranteed by law.



You have already picked your poison, and you like it.



Have you missed any mail? Or SS checks? Me either.

Bother are going bankrupt... services are being cut... because they mismanaged what they had in the case of the Post Office, or wasted the money taken out of peoples checks on things OTHER than social security.

They can't fix either one of those... they couldn't even get a simple website right... and we are supposed to "TRUST" they will get this right?

Sorry... I don't have that kind of blind faith in Ideologs that have not done anything else right in their lives except play a con game well enough to win elections.

[Wondergirl]

Bother are going bankrupt... services are being cut... because they mismanaged

In the case of SS, WHO mismanaged?

[smoothy]

In the case of SS, WHO mismanaged?

Big government... there is nothing private about the Social security program.