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Wondergirl · Nov 9, 2013, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

So stop the ruse of blaming the insurance companies . That dog don't hunt .

They knock themselves out thinking of ways to make money. This was a no-brainer.

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 08:10 AM

Yes it was a no brainer if the goal was to destroy the private insurance industry . He should hang his Mission Accomplished banner and do a Snoopy dance ,and spike a football instead of his faux phony apology .

talaniman · Nov 9, 2013, 08:13 AM

Or you can lose the fake outrage and concern for consumers and get a consensus that's fair for us all.

excon · Nov 9, 2013, 08:15 AM

Hello again, tom:

That dog don't hunt .

You appear to BELIEVE that if something goes wrong in the government, Obama KNEW about it. Not only do you believe that, you think he ENGINEERED the deception...

I don't believe that at all.

excon

PS> In case you're interested, I BELIEVE that George W. Bush BELIEVED that Iraq HAD WMD'S.

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 08:20 AM

If the CEO of an insurance company went on air and advertised saying 'if you like your plan you can keep it.. period ' and then pulled this bait and switch like the emperor did ;Eric Holder would be rushing to prosecute him today.

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

You appear to BELIEVE that if something goes wrong in the government, Obama KNEW about it. Not only do you believe that, you think he ENGINEERED the deception...

I don't believe that at all.

excon

PS> In case you're interested, I BELIEVE that George W. Bush BELIEVED that Iraq HAD WMD'S.

Yes he did know . Even the water carriers at NBC admit that much .
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...insurance?lite

excon · Nov 9, 2013, 08:26 AM

Hello again, tom:

' and then pulled this bait and switch like the emperor did ;Eric Holder would be rushing to prosecute him today.

Nahhhh...

Apparently, you don't understand bait and switch very well.. It's illegal because they switch you into an INFERIOR product. That's CHEATING 'em. But, Obama switched people into a SUPERIOR product.. That's giving 'em a BENEFIT.

excon

talaniman · Nov 9, 2013, 08:36 AM

Try to keep up Tom, insurance companies have been kicking people off their insurance for decades. It use to be pre existing conditions, now its Obama. Its another excuse. The difference now is all those people who got letters of termination have somewhere else to go.

That's what you are really mad about. Admit it.

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 08:38 AM

And he still lies about it .

CHUCK TODD:
Even if you didn't intentionally do it, but at this point, they feel misled. And you've seen the anger that's out there.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:
You know-- I regret very much that-- what we intended to do, which is to make sure that everybody is moving into better plans because they want 'em, as opposed to because they're forced into it.

NBC News Press Release
Nope he's forcing people into plans they don't want .

excon · Nov 9, 2013, 08:42 AM

Hello again, tom:

which is to make sure that everybody is moving into better plans because they want 'em, as opposed to because they're forced into it.

He made the mistake of believing that people would WANT a superior product, instead of b!tching about losing an inferior one.

It's a pretty right wing belief, wouldn't you concur?

excon

talaniman · Nov 9, 2013, 08:42 AM

Thanks for making my point. When people were forced off before, you didn't give a rats patoot.

Now you love the rats patoot.

Wondergirl · Nov 9, 2013, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

If the CEO of an insurance company went on air and advertised saying 'if you like your plan you can keep it.. period ' and then pulled this bait and switch

They've been doing that since Day One by raising rates and forcing insureds to pay the higher premium or find a cheaper plan with them or dump the company they have for a different one -- or just be uninsured.

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 09:36 AM

They've been doing that since Day One by raising rates and forcing insureds to pay the higher premium or find a cheaper plan with them or dump the company they have for a different one -- or just be uninsured.

I've dealt with various insurance companies covering heath, dental ,catastrophic ,long term care ,auto ,home ,personal life etc for many years .The one time one of them screwed me I dropped them .
Nope I'm quite sure that the people being dropped now feel the betrayal came from the White House

Wondergirl · Nov 9, 2013, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Nope I'm quite sure that the people being dropped now feel the betrayal came from the White House

Dropping for something better is the only way to go. If I were dropped, I would certainly look for what else is out there that is better. You HOPE those people feel betrayed -- but then they may feel betrayed by their formerly beloved insurance companies who dumped them.

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 09:41 AM

Nope they heard the promise the emperor made MANY times

Wondergirl · Nov 9, 2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Nope they heard the promise the emperor made MANY times

True. And the insurance companies have NEVER made a promise that they won't screw their insureds any chance they get.

excon · Nov 9, 2013, 09:47 AM

Hello again, tom:

Nope I'm quite sure that the people being dropped now feel the betrayal came from the White House

It's true. But, that's due to the lame stream media BUYING into the frenzy at FOX News.

excon

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
It's true. But, that's due to the lame stream media BUYING into the frenzy at FOX News.

excon

Maybe one day the lame stream media will catch up to this lie too...
“Your healthcare costs will go DOWN an average $2500 per family”.

excon · Nov 9, 2013, 10:25 AM

Hello again, tom:

“Your healthcare costs will go DOWN an average $2500 per family”.

The problem with Obama's promises, is that he didn't differentiate BETWEEN particular groups of people... To SOME, and I don't know how many, THAT statement isn't a lie. To MOST of the people in the country, the promise that you can KEEP your plan AND your doctor, ISN'T a lie.

Look. I'm NOT happy with the rollout. I'm not happy with the "bait and switch" as you call it. But, I'd be a great deal LESS happy if the bait and switch resulted in the consumer being CHEATED.

I'm able to look PAST this kerfuffle to see 30 million people having insurance that NEVER had it before... Funny... I don't hear you cheering for THAT.. Of course, you HAVE insurance, don't you.

excon

tomder55 · Nov 9, 2013, 10:39 AM

I'm able to look PAST this kerfuffle to see 30 million people having insurance that NEVER had it before

Mostly people between jobs for a short time and invincibles who don't want it anyway (and probably deserve the hosing they are getting ,as they are the zombies who bit into his whole cr@p sandwich from the beginning) .