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    #941

    Nov 1, 2013, 08:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Kentucky had 60,000.
    Link please?

    Similar results in states that actually got busy to fix the problem. The real issues are with states that didn't do squat but complain and holler, and DID NOTHING
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    Like Oregon, who as of last week still hadn't signed up a single person on their exchange site?
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    Nov 1, 2013, 09:56 AM
    Here in NY ,2/3 of those who have signed up are medicaid expansion people . This is the same trend as many other states like California(82%) .The number of new Medicaid enrollees in states like Kentucky, and Washington tops 80 % of all enrollees .Medicaid is "free" so why not go for it instead of private insurance ?
    But the plan was for getting the young healthy invincibles to sign up or there would be a death spiral . Here in NY we were already in this pattern with the inflation of Medicaid costs going up an unsustainable 13% annually. Oh there will be a 3 year reprise while the Federal gvt. pays for it with monopoly money ,but the s**t will hit the fan after that . The Obots will be out of office then so why should they care ?
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    #943

    Nov 1, 2013, 09:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Kentucky had 60,000. Similar results in states that actually got busy to fix the problem. The real issues are with states that didn't do squat but complain and holler, and DID NOTHING.
    Are those the same 60,000 people who are registered democrats that reside in cemeteries?
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    #944

    Nov 1, 2013, 10:08 AM
    Trickle down economics, that doesn't trickle, and job creators that don't create jobs, and law makers who don't govern is the heart of the problem.
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    #945

    Nov 1, 2013, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Trickle down economics, that doesn't trickle, and job creators that don't create jobs, and law makers who don't govern is the heart of the problem.
    Nah, liberals are the problem - they govern by magical, wishful thinking.

    MSNBC’s Taylor: Obamacare Will Prevent Divorces
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    Nov 1, 2013, 12:01 PM
    Report: Only 6 People Enrolled in Obamacare on First Day

    Report: Only 6 People Enrolled in Obamacare on First Day

    Only six people signed up for Obamacare through the federal exchanges on the first day of operations, CBS News reports.

    The HealthCare.gov website set up for people without employer-sponsored health plans repeatedly locked people out from the moment it went online on Oct. 1.

    Congressional Republicans and members of the media have asked Health and Human Services officials how many people have signed up, but have been told figures won't be available until mid-November, when they can be compiled for the entire month.

    But a document subpoena from the House Oversight Committee was able to find that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services held "war room" meetings twice a day as the website rolled out.

    The documents, which also were obtained by CBS, show that only six people had successfully signed up on the first day. By the middle of the second day about 100 had signed up, and by the last meeting on Oct. 2, 248 had enrolled nationally.

    HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has told "The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart and CNN's Sanjay Gupta she didn't know precise figures. CMS chief Marilyn Tavenner likewise provided no figures when she testified before the House Ways and Means Committee this week.

    Instead, Sebelius and the White House have said millions of Americans have looked at the site and hundreds of thousands have created accounts. The White House said the website had 4.7 million unique visitors the first day.

    Critics have speculated that actual sign-ups have not been released because the number is embarrassingly low.

    The documents obtained by the Oversight Committee clearly show that exact numbers were available from launch. The phrase "Statistics coming in" is included in notes of the first meeting on Oct. 2. "(Contractor) QSSI has a daily dashboard created every night."

    Contacted Thursday by CBS News, HHS still said it had no concrete figures, explaining that the numbers may not include other methods of signing up, such as with paper applications. The White House told Fox News the numbers are not official.

    "These appear to be notes, they do not include official enrollment statistics," Sebelius' spokeswoman Joanne Peters told Fox News.

    Fox News Channel's Megyn Kelly expressed surprise at the figure.

    "There are more people in this room than signed up for Obamacare on Day One," she said.

    Up to 7 million uninsured people are expected to sign up through the exchanges. Open enrollment ends March 31, but people have to sign up by Dec. 15 to have coverage on Jan. 1.

    Jonathan Gruber, the MIT professor who advised the state of Massachusetts and the federal government on their universal healthcare plans, told CNN that Massachusetts' plan, dubbed "Romneycare," started slow as well, and predicted numbers would pick up.
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    #947

    Nov 1, 2013, 12:34 PM
    I guess NOW if the wicked witch lies or refuses to answer... there will be legal charges to answer to.

    Rep. Issa Subpoenas Sebelius for Obamacare Documents

    Rep. Issa Subpoenas Sebelius for Obamacare Documents

    Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has subpoenaed Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius for documents related to the “entirely dysfunctional” Obamacare website's problems.

    “The administration's failure to provide answers about what led to the disastrous launch of HealthCare.gov and what is being done to fix it is completely unacceptable,” the California Republican said.

    “The evidence is mounting that the website did not go through proper testing, including critical security testing, and that the Administration ignored repeated warnings from contractors about ongoing problems," he said.

    The subpoena demands any documents linked to the malfunctioning website's technical issues, including the testing process that went into the site as well as the number of people enrolled in the program through the Nov. 13 deadline for delivery of the information.

    Issa previously requested the same information from Sebelius on Oct. 10 and Oct. 24. After Sebelius had balked at releasing details about the troubled website since its Oct. 1 launch, Issa had warned that he would use a subpoena to get the information.

    Issa said that Obamacare has “given us skyrocketing out-of-pocket costs, fewer choices, and the cancellation of millions of people's current health insurance coverage.”

    Maintaining that the website is “just the beginning of the problems with the healthcare law," he added that the nation deserves to “know why the Administration spent significant taxpayer money on a product that is entirely dysfunctional and puts their personal information at risk.”

    Issa also declared that “the president's signature legislative achievement” contradicted his promise that if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it.
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    #948

    Nov 1, 2013, 12:35 PM
    She did not say "Obamacare Will Prevent Divorces", she said the "number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress".

    More right-wing FUD.
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    #949

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Report: Only 6 People Enrolled in Obamacare on First Day

    Report: Only 6 People Enrolled in Obamacare on First Day

    Only six people signed up for Obamacare through the federal exchanges on the first day of operations, CBS News reports.

    The HealthCare.gov website set up for people without employer-sponsored health plans repeatedly locked people out from the moment it went online on Oct. 1.

    Congressional Republicans and members of the media have asked Health and Human Services officials how many people have signed up, but have been told figures won't be available until mid-November, when they can be compiled for the entire month.

    But a document subpoena from the House Oversight Committee was able to find that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services held "war room" meetings twice a day as the website rolled out.

    The documents, which also were obtained by CBS, show that only six people had successfully signed up on the first day. By the middle of the second day about 100 had signed up, and by the last meeting on Oct. 2, 248 had enrolled nationally.

    HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has told "The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart and CNN's Sanjay Gupta she didn't know precise figures. CMS chief Marilyn Tavenner likewise provided no figures when she testified before the House Ways and Means Committee this week.

    Instead, Sebelius and the White House have said millions of Americans have looked at the site and hundreds of thousands have created accounts. The White House said the website had 4.7 million unique visitors the first day.

    Critics have speculated that actual sign-ups have not been released because the number is embarrassingly low.

    The documents obtained by the Oversight Committee clearly show that exact numbers were available from launch. The phrase "Statistics coming in" is included in notes of the first meeting on Oct. 2. "(Contractor) QSSI has a daily dashboard created every night."

    Contacted Thursday by CBS News, HHS still said it had no concrete figures, explaining that the numbers may not include other methods of signing up, such as with paper applications. The White House told Fox News the numbers are not official.

    "These appear to be notes, they do not include official enrollment statistics," Sebelius' spokeswoman Joanne Peters told Fox News.

    Fox News Channel's Megyn Kelly expressed surprise at the figure.

    "There are more people in this room than signed up for Obamacare on Day One," she said.

    Up to 7 million uninsured people are expected to sign up through the exchanges. Open enrollment ends March 31, but people have to sign up by Dec. 15 to have coverage on Jan. 1.

    Jonathan Gruber, the MIT professor who advised the state of Massachusetts and the federal government on their universal healthcare plans, told CNN that Massachusetts' plan, dubbed "Romneycare," started slow as well, and predicted numbers would pick up.
    I'm sure the iPhone only sold 6 units on it's launch day too. Don't you know that performance is never the measurement for liberal policies. What matters are the good intentions.
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    #950

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    She did not say "Obamacare Will Prevent Divorces", she said the "number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress".

    More right-wing FUD.
    I beg to differ, she said "[B]health care costs alone are the number one driver of financial distress in this country for families, the number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress[/B]" and then linked it to support for "affordable health care".

    The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
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    #951

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
    Talking about reading something with your own agenda....
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    #952

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:33 PM
    The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
    What a sad man you are.
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    #953

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What a sad man you are.
    At least I'm not you.
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    #954

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Talking about reading something with your own agenda....
    By all means, explain to me what she really meant.

    "Health care costs alone are the number one driver of financial distress in this country for families, the number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress. If this is the family - the party of families, they ought to be about the family, the party of providing affordable health care for all families."
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    #955

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    By all means, explain to me what she really meant.
    It's a generic statement that has been true all my life, but is worse now with ever increasing health care costs.
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    #956

    Nov 1, 2013, 02:59 PM
    I have no idea what that means. She clearly linked support for Obamacare with preventing the number one cause of divorce.
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    #957

    Nov 1, 2013, 03:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I beg to differ, she said "[B]health care costs alone are the number one driver of financial distress in this country for families, the number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress[/B]" and then linked it to support for "affordable health care".

    The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.

    Well, I guess that must include me as well because other than the bits you underlined I have no idea what she was saying in relation to providing "affordable health care for all families" In other words, her link to health care and families was grammatically unintelligible.
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    #958

    Nov 1, 2013, 03:30 PM
    Are you guys crazy, health care is but one of many financial stresses put on families. She never implies it was the only one.
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    #959

    Nov 1, 2013, 03:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I have no idea what that means. She clearly linked support for Obamacare with preventing the number one cause of divorce.
    She did not! She was talking about health care in general. It's been an albatross around our necks for generations.
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    #960

    Nov 1, 2013, 03:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I beg to differ, she said "[B]health care costs alone are the number one driver of financial distress in this country for families, the number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress[/B]" and then linked it to support for "affordable health care".

    The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
    I know nothing about your healthcare, and don't wish to, I'm in Canada and very happy with our health care. I can say that we live paycheck to paycheck, even though my husband has a well paying job, we still struggle to make ends meet. If we had to pay $250 for a doctors visit, that would add a lot of stress.

    There are three leading factors for divorce, money, infidelity, and sex (and yes, infidelity and sex are two different things).

    So, will affordable health care help with divorce rates? It very well may do just that. Stress about money is a leading cause for divorce, so eliminating one of those financial stresses would help.

    But is divorce the only reason why your country should have affordable health care? Of course not!

    Also, your tone, and literally calling someone stupid:

    The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
    Is not acceptable. If you're trying to prove your point, could you at least do so without belittling people just because they don't agree with you? That's uncalled for, and not behavior that's acceptable on this site, or anywhere.

    You really should apologize.

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