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    excon Posts: 21,482, Reputation: 2992
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    #621

    Oct 24, 2013, 07:20 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    So why didn't Dems come to the table and talk?
    Why should they when they WON by NOT talking? The right wing invitation to negotiate was a TRAP that Obama and Reid didn't fall into.

    So, you fringe type wrong wingers CLOSED down the government and cost us taxpayers $24 BILLION DOLLARS. I know you have an aversion to the truth, but I don't. That's what happened, and you know it.

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    #622

    Oct 24, 2013, 07:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    Yup. BILLION is what the Republican shutdown of government cost us. The Dems are pikers compared to YOU.

    excon
    And yet today we hear the Dems speak of delaying the individual mandate . Ummm... when did we hear that before ?
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    #623

    Oct 24, 2013, 07:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So why didn't Dems come to the table and talk?
    There was nothing to talk about, you shut the government down over BS, you open it back up. What's to talk about?
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    #624

    Oct 24, 2013, 07:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    Why should they when they WON by NOT talking?
    Good to know it was all about your side winning.
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    #625

    Oct 24, 2013, 07:46 AM
    And yet another "spurious" story.

    Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas
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    #626

    Oct 24, 2013, 08:00 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    Good to know it was all about your side winning.
    What? Your side didn't want to win? You guys are all patriotic and wonderful, and only wanted what's good for the country? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

    You are either demonstrating an UNBELIEVABLE degree of naievete, or you're lying.. Furthermore, WHY would you think I'd BUY that crap?

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    #627

    Oct 24, 2013, 08:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    What? Your side didn't want to win? You guys are all patriotic and wonderful, and only wanted what's good for the country? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

    You are either demonstrating an UNBELIEVABLE degree of naievete, or you're lying.. Furthermore, WHY would you think I'd BUY that crap?

    excon
    All I have to say to that is "hope and change."
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    #628

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:02 AM
    The White House has now officially delayed the deadline for signing up for health insurance by six weeks.

    Gee, didn't the emperor just force a 16 day government shutdown when some Republicans suggested he delay the mandate?

    Note that this is only the first delay. Before they are done I predict they will do exactly what those terrorist Republicans suggested: delay the mandate for one year. Which will essentially prove that the Republicans were right in the first place.
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    #629

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    What? Your side didn't want to win? You guys are all patriotic and wonderful, and only wanted what's good for the country? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

    You are either demonstrating an UNBELIEVABLE degree of naievete, or you're lying.. Furthermore, WHY would you think I'd BUY that crap?

    excon
    Any rational thinking person can say the same about anyone who is exhibiting such fanatical devotion to Obamacare when all they know about it is the propaganda pushed down our throats by the very same people that exempted themselves from ever having to have it themselves.


    At least we have facts on our side... not a religious devotion to a pathological liar who never worked an honest job in his life... yet has somehow ammassed over 90 million dollars in personal wealth in the last five years while on the government payrol that pays a tiny fraction of that.
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    #630

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Which will essentially prove that the Republicans were right in the first place.
    Wow! Sounds like the Republicans really know what they are talking about. Guess they'll be taking over by 2016.
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    #631

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    yet has somehow ammassed over 90 million dollars in personal wealth in the last five years while on the government payrol that pays a tiny fraction of that.
    He wrote a few bestsellers along the way.
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    Oct 24, 2013, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    He wrote a few bestsellers along the way.
    Exactly WHAT books has he written in the last 5 years? How about the last 20? Care to present any evidence there were enough of those sold to account for 90 million dollars in royalties? he would only see a small fraction of the selling price.

    Not even Steven King has managed to pull that one off... and OWEbamas couple books are only a best seller among the lunatic left.
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    #633

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:17 AM
    The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration's regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from ,000 to ,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

    These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.
    But unless they live in Washington state, Nevada, Colorado, and Kentucky, they can't now get on an exchange site to see their plan options, new prices, and provider directories so they can make an informed decision before they lose their coverage
    Health Care Policy and Marketplace Review: Week Two of the Obamacare Federal Health Insurance Exchange Rollout––No Improvement
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    #634

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Exactly WHAT books has he written in the last 5 years? Care to present any evidence there were enough of those sold to account for 90 million dollars in royalties?

    Not even Steven King has managed to pull that one off... and OWEbamas couple books are only a best seller among the lunatic left.
    Where do you get $90M? Wikipedia says, "As per his 2012 financial disclosure, Obama may be worth as much as $10 million." Forbes say $6M (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarl...nce-last-year/).

    I made a pretty penny on the four books I wrote and got traditionally published, and I'm nobody. Obama's were also made into e-books and were translated into foreign languages and are still being purchased. Many public libraries in the U.S. have copies of them. (I'll check WorldCat, if you wish.)

    As for legitimate work, he taught at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years—as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004 (constitutional law). In 1993, he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland (civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development) as an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then as counsel from 1996 to 2004.
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    Oct 24, 2013, 11:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I made a pretty penny on the four books I wrote and got traditionally published, and I'm nobody. Obama's were also made into e-books and were translated into foreign languages and are still being purchased. Many public libraries in the U.S. have copies of them. (I'll check WorldCat, if you wish.)

    As for legitimate work, he taught at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years—as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004 (constitutional law). In 1993, he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland (civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development) as an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then as counsel from 1996 to 2004.
    Funny how those are the claims... but nobody seems to ever remember him ever doing any of that. Except the unpaid community organizer stuff. (meaning there are no unsealed public records that back any of this up)

    Even even if he had....the 90 million dollars that fell out of the sky the last five years he didn't have even after all the years of doing that.
    So you have in effect proven nothing.

    His income over the last 5 years has been $400,000 a year.
    that accounts for $2,000,000 of that 90 million in the last 5 years.

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepre...dentialpay.htm

    Did his fairy godmother bring him the rest...or was it George SOros?

    Incidently, he authored only THREE books....

    The Audacity of Hope


    Dreams from My Father


    Of Thee I Sing

    Since these sell for an average of $6.00 and even a good roaly rate of 10% he'd have to sell a book to have the planets population...yet almost nobodyu I know ever bought one.....and the few I know who read them got pirated copies of the internet he gets ZERO royalties from.
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    #636

    Oct 24, 2013, 11:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Since these sell for an average of .00 and even a good roaly rate of 10% he'd have to sell a book to have the planets population...yet almost nobodyu I know ever bought one.....and the few I know who read them got pirated copies of the internet he gets ZERO royalties from.
    I went to WorldCat to see how many copies of all formats are owned worldwide, but got tired of copying down totals. (You can go to a public library and ask a librarian to show you.) There are millions of books of his in many formats (hardcover, paperback, large print, CD, e-book, in Spanish, in other languages, etc.) just in public libraries, and that doesn't count personal purchases. The average cost for a new hardcover book is around $30. CDs can be that or even more, paperbacks less. The library I worked at has at least 10 copies of various titles, and the library director is a Republican serving a Republican community.
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    Oct 24, 2013, 12:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I went to WorldCat to see how many copies of all formats are owned worldwide, but got tired of copying down totals. (You can go to a public library and ask a librarian to show you.) There are millions of books of his in many formats (hardcover, paperback, large print, CD, e-book, in Spanish, in other languages, etc.) just in public libraries, and that doesn't count personal purchases. The average cost for a new hardcover book is around . CDs can be that or even more, paperbacks less. The library I worked at has at least 10 copies of various titles, and the library director is a Republican serving a Republican community.
    Most books are sold on Amazon these days or other online outlets at far below bookstore prices as most book stores are out of business... and his books were on sale for like $5.99 at Amazon.

    Paperback royalties are as a low as 1% and as high as 10%. Hardcovers averaged around 10% and those are based on the sellig price. Being he was a young pompous unknown blohard when he wrote them and any contracts were signed...they would have likely been on the low end of the range.
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    #638

    Oct 24, 2013, 01:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Most books are sold on Amazon these days
    When his books were new titles and werd hot, they garnered at least $30 a pop (hardcover). The Washington Times says, "The president earned between $1 million and $5 million in royalties in 2010 from the book, Dreams from My Father, according to a financial disclosure form released by the White House Monday.

    He also pulled in between $100,000 and $1,000,000 from Audacity of Hope.”

    Where did you get the $90M figure?
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    #639

    Oct 24, 2013, 02:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    When his books were new titles and were hot, they garnered at least a pop (hardcover). The Washington Times says, "The president earned between million and million in royalties in 2010 from the book, Dreams from My Father, according to a financial disclosure form released by the White House Monday.

    He also pulled in between $100,000 and $1,000,000 from Audacity of Hope.”

    Where did you get the $90M figure?
    You really don't want to know where he pulled that from.

    HINT: Its where all his facts come from.
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    #640

    Oct 25, 2013, 05:12 AM
    Here's an inconvenient truth. There are 15million Americans who purchase their insurance in the private market. Many of them have already been informed that their plans are being eliminated because they don't comply with the pile on of coverages that the Dems ,the emperor ,and HHS has written into the mandates. When offered alternatives at all ,the plans are cost prohibitive with premiums double or triple their current rates. Even if they manage to gain access to the tax subsidies offered in the ObamaCare exchanges, many will pay far more for insurance.
    (remember the big lie... "if you like your plan you can keep it")
    As of now ,those millions of formerly insured Americans will not be insured Jan.1 .
    The Slimes is reporting that people in rural areas are being hit especially hard . Not because there are no state exchanges.. these are plans being offered in the Federal exchange.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/bu...reas.html?_r=0

    While competition is intense in many populous regions, rural areas and small towns have far fewer carriers offering plans in the law's online exchanges. Those places, many of them poor, are being asked to choose from some of the highest-priced plans in the 34 states where the federal government is running the health insurance marketplaces, a review by The New York Times has found.

    Of the roughly 2,500 counties served by the federal exchanges, more than half, or 58 percent, have plans offered by just one or two insurance carriers, according to an analysis by The Times of county-level data provided by the Department of Health and Human Services. In about 530 counties, only a single insurer is participating.

    The analysis suggests that the ambitions of the Affordable Care Act to increase competition have unfolded unevenly, at least in the early going, and have not addressed many of the factors that contribute to high prices. Insurance companies are reluctant to enter challenging new markets, experts say, because medical costs are high, dominant insurers are difficult to unseat, and powerful hospital systems resist efforts to lower rates.

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