[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

What was the last conservative idea you considered?

I considered the right wing idea of letting people buy insurance across state lines...

But, then, I started wondering WHY some insurance companies only register in SOME states and not, say in MINE. After a bit of poking around, I found out that they COULDN'T register their product in MY state because MY state has an insurance commissioner who thinks his job is protecting the consumers of insurance, instead of protecting the purveyors of insurance...

Consequently, the policies offered in THOSE states wouldn't BE something that you, or ANYBODY should buy.

Therefore, having given GREAT consideration to a Republican idea, I soundly REJECT it, for the reasons stated.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I guess your commish must be OK with the crap sandwiches being offered now.

Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn’t prepared for the pocketbook hit he’ll face next year under President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of 3 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of ,700, a more than threefold increase from ,500 today.

“I believe everybody should be able to have health insurance, but at the same time, I’m being penalized. And for what?” said Weldzius, who is not offered insurance through his employer. “For someone who’s always had insurance, who’s always taken care of myself, now I have to change my plan?”

[talaniman]

What was the last conservative idea you considered?

The idea of a mandate for buying health insurance first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal “quality, affordable health care.”

You can run from the facts and deny this conservative idea, but it has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, with Obama fighting for YOUR guys idea.

Got more good ideas?

[tomder55]

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/...medium=twitter
Above is the pre-subsidy pricing on all the plans available on the Obamacare web site. You are not supposed to know this info until after all your personal information is recorded and confirmed according to Francis Rose of Federal News Radio
https://twitter.com/FRoseDC

[speechlesstx]

The idea of a mandate for buying health insurance first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes



You can run from the facts and deny this conservative idea, but it has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, with Obama fighting for YOUR guys idea.

Got more good ideas?

Yeah, get rid of liberalism. It's killing us.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, the website's busted... What else is new?

Yaaaawn.

excon

[speechlesstx]

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/...medium=twitter
Above is the pre-subsidy pricing on all the plans available on the Obamacare web site. You are not supposed to know this info until after all your personal information is recorded and confirmed according to Francis Rose of Federal News Radio
https://twitter.com/FRoseDC

Healthcare,gov is now misleading us on prices.

(CBS News) CBS News has uncovered a serious pricing problem with HealthCare.gov. It stems from the Obama administration's efforts to improve its health care website. A new online feature can dramatically underestimate the cost of insurance.

The administration announced it would provide a new "shop and browse" feature Sunday, but it's not giving consumers the real picture. In some cases, people could end up paying double of what they see on the website, CBS News' Jan Crawford reported Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."

As President Obama promises to fix HealthCare.gov, his administration is touting what it calls "improvements" in design, specifically a feature that allows you to "See Plans Now." White House press secretary Jay Carney has said, "Americans across the country can type in their zip code and shop and browse."


But CBS News has learned the new "shop and browse" feature often comes with the wrong price tags.

(Watch at left Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius' recent comments on the website's problems)
Industry analysts, such as Jonathan Wu, point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: "49 or under" and "50 or older."

Wu said it's "incredibly misleading for people that are trying to get a sense of what they're paying."

Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.

CBS News ran the numbers for a 48-year-old in Charlotte, N.C., ineligible for subsidies. According to HealthCare.gov, she would pay 1 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs 0, more than 50 percent higher. The difference: Blue Cross and Blue Shield requests your birthday before providing more accurate estimates.

The numbers for older Americans are even more striking. A 62-year-old in Charlotte looking for the same basic plan would get a price estimate on the government website of 4. The actual price is 4.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, the website's busted... What else is new?

Yaaaawn.

excon

Thought you might be interested in price shopping the real prices.
Never mind .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Thought you might be interested in price shopping the real prices.
Never mind .

Nahhh.. I'll just wait till the website's fixed.

Yaaawnnnn.

excon

[talaniman]

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?

she would pay 1 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs 0, more than 50 percent higher

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

[Wondergirl]

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

Yeah, the owner has even called in IT help, but no final fix yet. And he has posted he wants to roll out something new next year. I wonder if we will be able to handle all that -- or just be our usual patient selves?

[talaniman]

The TParty better not find out. Patience is not their strong point. As to my post, my sarcasm font failed to engage.

[speechlesstx]

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?



Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

I may not like some of the changes but I can still do what I want here with no trouble. It doesn't take me 4 1/2 hours, online chat and hours on the phone with no success.

[Wondergirl]

I may not like some of the changes but I can still do what I want here with no trouble. It doesn't take me 4 1/2 hours, online chat and hours on the phone with no success.

I got onto the ACA site last night with no problem. Sounds like your computer is the problem.

[talaniman]

It took me 25 minutes on line to navigate the system. You can try again later, or give up. Your choice.

My point is there is no quick fixes, or instant success. We muddle through and make adjustments. That's human.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:
Nahhh.. I'll just wait till the website's fixed.

Yaaawnnnn.

excon

Bottom line is that it won't be fixed in time . People losing their coverage now because of Obamacare need to sign up by December 14 to be covered by insurance on Jan 1 . So a plan that was designed because apx 15 % of the population did not have coverage will most likely see a greater percentage without coverage on Jan. 1 . Good Job !

[tomder55]

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?



Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

Now that's what I call a great endorsement for Obamacare... a Q&A site with many less participants has minor glitches that don't affect the lives of the people involved as opposed to the disastrous launching of a major web site designed to fundamentally change the relationship between individuals ,their health care providers ,and the government .
You crack me up. Then you say the gang that can't shoot straight should apply that same expertise to a singles payer government control socialized plan ? Pulleeeeze !

[tomder55]

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Bottom line is that it won't be fixed in time .

What? You don't believe in surges? I thought you LIKED surges.

Oh.. Right... That was when the OTHER guy did 'em.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I got onto the ACA site last night with no problem. Sounds like your computer is the problem.

I personally have no need to visit the site, but I I'm also not averse to the reality that it's not fixed and won't be for some time.