[smoothy]

See? More incorrect info. It's non-stop with you.

YOU claimed a product doesn't have to work as promissed... YOU are from Canada...

Because in the USA a product is legally required to function as advertized and actually be usable. Or you have committed fraud marketing a non-fuctional product. And something that doesn't work 99.9% of the time...is in effect, non-fuctional.

Hopefully you get a pacemaker that works less than 1% of the time...its just the same anyway...they might be able to fix it eventually if you pay them enough money. Right?

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

Question: When is a mandate, NOT a mandate?

Answer: When there's NO penalty for NOT paying it!


excon

Then the system is a failure by design... forget about the computer issues. The assumption behind the individual mandate was to get healthy people signed up so their money could subsidize the less healthy . If the individual mandate is unenforceably then there will be that feared "death-spiral" where the least healthy i.e. The most expensive,sign up for insurance, causing the system’s financial collapse.
That of course was a predictable outcome when SCOTUS legitimized an unconstitutional key provision of the law .

[NeedKarma]

YOU claimed a product doesn't have to work as promissed

Show me where I claimed that.

[smoothy]

Show me where I claimed that.

Go back and read your own posts... you will see it.

[NeedKarma]

And that's another typical tactic of yours.

[smoothy]

And that's another typical tactic of yours.

Not mine, YOU own that... You spent the morning arguing that The Canadian software for Obamacare that doesn't work.. isn't legally required to actually work.

[NeedKarma]

You spent the morning arguing that The Canadian software for Obamacare that doesn't work.. isn't legally required to actually work.

No I didn't, not once. More lies from you.

[smoothy]

No I didn't, not once. More lies from you.

You need to put down the Vodka and the joint... because that's all you have argued about all morning. Either that or someone else is posting on your account and you need to change your password.

[NeedKarma]

No wonder people put you on Ignore.

[smoothy]

No wonder people put you on Ignore.

They don't... you just wish they did... because you got caught in another one of your numerous lies.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

Question: When is a mandate, NOT a mandate?

Answer: When there's NO penalty for NOT paying it!


excon

You left some out of your fact check. Do you really think the IRS is not going to collect the penalties?

The law says that the IRS will collect the tax “in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68” of the tax code. That part of the tax code provides for imposing an additional penalty “equal to the total amount of the tax evaded, or not collected.” It also requires written notices to the taxpayer, and provides for court proceedings.

So it may turn out that the IRS will be suing those who fail to pay the tax for double the amount. But so far, the IRS has not spelled out exactly how it will enforce the new penalty with the limited power the law gives it.

[smoothy]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...efuse-to-cover

Top Five ObamaCare Catastrophes the Media Refuse to Cover

Breitbart's Big Journalism, by John Nolte

While the tech problems are real and worth covering, so are five other ObamaCare catastrophes. But the media won't cover those because to do so might further undermine the program:

1. Millions are Losing Their Health Insurance
About 14 million Americans (not enrolled in Medicare or Medicaid) purchase their health insurance privately as opposed to through an employer. Because a large percentage of these plans do not cover everything ObamaCare mandates a policy cover -- among other things: birth control, mental health, maternity, vision, dental -- these plans are being cancelled -- no matter how happy people might be with them. We learned today that in just one state just one provider dropped 300,000 customers.

Now these 300,000 (and millions more, including spouses being dropped by UPS and other organizations) have not only lost the health insurance they were happy with, they have also been thrown into the nightmare of these ObamaCare exchanges. Moreover, because their old insurance plans were dumped for not covering everything the government now demands be covered, the new plans will be more expensive.

You can lose the doctor you had and liked. Obama promised the American people that his health care reforms would not cost people their doctors or force them off the health insurance plans they like. Now we know that was nothing more than a bald-faced lie.

2. Premium Increases on Working and Middle Class
Obama hosted a Rose Garden event Monday where he incessantly repeated a talking point about health care now being more affordable. Certainly, it will be, for those joining the expanded Medicaid rolls. But for many millions among the working and middle class, premiums are going up, sometimes by as much as 50% to 150%. We are not talking about taxing the wealthy here, we are talking about everyday people, families, and small businesses.

Millions are about to have their standard of living hit and their ability to save for college and retirement undermined -- mostly because the government is forcing them to give up a health care premium they were happy with, and purchase another loaded with services they neither need nor want.

All of this is happening in a no-growth economy.

3. Obama's One-Year Delay On Business Mandate Strands the Middle and Working Class
In 2015, and in an anemic job growth-era that is entering year five of creating mostly part-time jobs, ObamaCare will sock small business owners with a massive tax. If a company has more than 50 full-time employees, they are either required to provide them with ObamaCare or pay a fine of $2000 a year per employee. This is the employer mandate Obama delayed for a year. But he didn't delay it to help business as much as he did it to increase the number of people who would be forced to enroll for ObamaCare during this crucial first year.

Businesses already at or above the 50 employee threshold are a lot less likely to offer their employees health insurance until the mandate kicks in the following year. This leaves employees stranded for a year without health insurance and facing a penalty if they don't sign up for ObamaCare. This was a ruthless move by Obama, which cornered employees into enrolling in ObamaCare.

4. ObamaCare's Effect On the Unemployed and Under-Employed
While it is a sad thing that ObamaCare means that small businesses can't expand their workforce in a way that benefits everyone, the real victims are the unemployed and under-employed who won't be hired for full-time jobs by these companies.

ObamaCare has been the law of the land for three-plus years , and for just as long our economy has been adding 7 part-time jobs for every full-time job. As soon as ObamaCare was passed, employers saw the writing on the wall and planned accordingly.

5. The Working Poor are Getting Hammered
The stories of the hundreds of thousands among the working poor losing their employer-based health insurance and having their hours cut, all due to ObamaCare, are everywhere. But the media intentionally refuse to do anything other than dutifully cover these individual stories. Were they to focus on this horrific consequence that is disproportionately affecting the working poor, it would likely turn even more people against ObamaCare -- something the media just aren't going to allow to happen.

And the people callously being thrown into this maelstrom aren't The Wealthy, aren't Mitt Romney, aren't the Top 1%, aren't even Tea Partiers -- they are the very people Obama repeatedly promised could keep their insurance and that he would never tax.
Et tu, CBS?

[speechlesstx]

I think some people are going to definitely need insurance to pay for treatment for emotional distress involved in trying to get insurance. This NY man spent 5 hours on the website, 3 hours in live chat and 4 1/2 hours on the phone. And still didn't manage to get anywhere.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

The problem you have is that the website WILL be fixed, and it'll be EVIDENT to everybody - ceptin maybe you..

excon

[tomder55]

And when he finds out what his premium is ,he'll be fainting like that women yesterday in the Rose Garden.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

The problem you have is that the website WILL be fixed, and it'll be EVIDENT to everybody - ceptin maybe you..

excon

How long must we endure this "trust us, it will all be awesome some day" BS before you true believers get fed up with not only the total incompetence in the drafting and execution of it, but the secrecy and damned lies the admin keeps feeding us? Do you like being lied to now?

Mark Halperin, the “Game Change” coauthor and a regular on [Morning Joe], called the rollout “unacceptable” and added that “the secrecy is unacceptable,” accusing the administration of withholding information about how many people have signed up.

His fellow panelist, liberal commentator Mike Barnicle, ratcheted up from there: “They’re lying about it now,” he said. “They’re not depriving us of information, they are outright lying.” The former Boston Globe columnist called the administration’s conduct “unacceptable.”

On “CBS This Morning,” the network’s political director, John Dickerson, calls the rollout “a total fiasco,” saying the administration is getting into a “credibility death spiral.” …

As liberal Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein tweeted in mid-address, “So far, this seems weirdly similar to the speech Obama would’ve given if the exchanges were working fine.”

But they’re not working fine, and White House reporters pressed Jay Carney aggressively about what the president knew, when he knew it and whether the administration owes the country an apology. (During the shutdown, you’ll recall, the press corps didn’t ask the president a single ObamaCare question at a news conference.)

[tomder55]

Consumer Reports has some advice for those trying to sign on... Try it again in a month...

Frustrated by trying to register on HealthCare.gov? You're hardly alone. Of the 9.47 million people who tried to register in the first week, only 271,00 were able to create an account, according to one analysis. That's about 1 in 35. Many people couldn't even create user names and passwords. For tips on how to get past the roadblocks, we talked with a Phoenix software tester named Ben Simo. When he got stuck trying to register a family member, Simo used his professional know-how to look beneath the hood and come up with some suggestions for creating a Healthcare.gov user account that actually works.

1. Follow instructions when creating a user name.

That's not as easy as it seems. For the user name, put in everything mentioned in the garbled instructions: at least seven characters that include at least one upper-case letter, one lower-case letter, one number, and one of the permitted symbols. Also follow the password instructions to the letter. (Simo says the instructions are needlessly complicated and logins will end up being less secure because users will be putting the info on Post-Its stuck to their computers, as indeed I have done with my own.)

2. Move on immediately from failed logins.

If you're having trouble creating a user name and password, “don't believe all the status and error messages that you see on the screen,” Simo said. “They may not always match reality.” That's what Simo saw when he looked at the underlying Javascript on one of his failed attempts. If anything at all doesn't go right, immediately try a different name, password, and/or security questions.





Health reform countdown: We are doing an article a day on the new health care law until Jan. 1, 2014, when it takes full effect. (Read the previous posts in the series.) To get health insurance advice tailored to your situation, use our Health Law Helper.





3. Check your inbox frequently.

If you are truly successful, you should receive an “account activation” e-mail within a few hours to verify that the email address you gave was legit. Answer it promptly, because if you don't, Healthcare.gov will time you out. If the e-mail never comes, you'll have to go back to square one.

4. Clear your cookies.

Your next hurdle after creating a functioning user name and password is to reach the identity verification section. If you log in to Healthcare.gov and get nothing but a blank page, what's likely happening, Simo says, is that in your previous visits to Healthcare.gov, your browser got loaded up with lots of cookies, bits of data and code that are implanted for later retrieval and use by Healthcare.gov. The problem is that the cookie files are bigger than what the website can accept back (yes, a design error). Result: a blank page. Solution: either delete the Healthcare.gov cookies from your browser (typically found in the “privacy” settings in Preferences), or log back in from a browser you've never previously used to access Healthcare.gov. That advice rang especially true to me because that's how I finally got an identity verification screen: by switching from my usual Safari browser to another that I rarely use.


If all this is too much for you to absorb, follow our previous advice: Stay away from Healthcare.gov for at least another month if you can. Hopefully that will be long enough for its software vendors to clean up the mess they've made. The coverage available through the marketplaces won't begin until Jan. 1, 2014, at the earliest, and you have until Dec. 15 to enroll if you need insurance that starts promptly.

Tips for creating a Healthcare.gov account - Consumer Reports News

[smoothy]

This never even worked in testing BEFORE it was rolled out...

Report: Healthcare website failed test ahead of rollout - CNN.com

And that's from CNN who has been nothing but PRO-Obama for the last 5 years.

[excon]

Hello again,

Yeah, the website sucks.. But, it's gonna get fixed.. Then what are you gonna snivel about?

Yaaaaaawn.

excon

[talaniman]

Hello again,

Yeah, the website sucks.. But, it's gonna get fixed.. Then what are you gonna snivel about?

Yaaaaaawn.

excon

The right never runs out of things to snivel about... NEVER!