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    #501

    Sep 7, 2013, 06:39 AM
    Are you a femenist, this scenario was played out a hundred years ago
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    #502

    Sep 7, 2013, 10:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's his opinion, agree or disagree, but woman have a right to their choices and opinions, BY LAW.
    This is not about laws, it's about life. Jack gets it.
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    #503

    Sep 7, 2013, 10:26 AM
    I don't see Jack running around telling others what to do, just that he is grateful for his life. You agree with him, but has nothing to do with the decisions of others.

    A lot of pro life people believe in letting others make their own choices.
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    #504

    Sep 8, 2013, 06:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I don't see Jack running around telling others what to do, just that he is grateful for his life. You agree with him, but has nothing to do with the decisions of others.

    A lot of pro life people believe in letting others make their own choices.
    You keep saying that sort of thing as if we don't allow others to choose. a) We just happen to believe they should make an informed choice, there's a life on the line besides the mother's. b) I'm about changing hearts and minds, not forcing my will on others, that's what liberals do (while being blinded to their hypocrisy).
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    Sep 8, 2013, 06:33 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    b) I'm about changing hearts and minds, not forcing my will on others, that's what liberals do (while being blinded to their hypocrisy).
    Bwa, ha ha ha ha... Snicker, snicker... Steve, Steve, Steve...

    You ARE the one who supported the CLOSING down of abortion clinics in YOUR state because they didn't meet newly enacted trap laws DESIGNED to CLOSE the clinics..

    That's NOT changing hearts and minds.. That's FORCING YOUR WILL ON OTHERS. And, you've got the balls to call US hypocrites...

    Excon
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    Sep 8, 2013, 06:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    Bwa, ha ha ha ha... Snicker, snicker... Steve, Steve, Steve...

    You ARE the one who supported the CLOSING down of abortion clinics in YOUR state because they didn't meet newly enacted trap laws DESIGNED to CLOSE the clinics..

    That's NOT changing hearts and minds.. That's FORCING YOUR WILL ON OTHERS. And, you've got the balls to call US hypocrites...

    excon
    Get back to me when you can find where I supported forcing abortion clinics to close. I support reasonable safety standards, you don't. If they can't meet them they SHOULD close. They have a year to comply, so you guys get together and help them out and everyone's happy (PP makes millions, I think they can afford to make sure women are safe).
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    Sep 8, 2013, 07:04 AM
    Get off the liberal stuff since its conservative lawmakers who have an agenda to stop all abortions no matter what. I have laid out my position many times and an informed decision starts a lot sooner than when you get in the situation you have to choose.

    I mean its you guys who are willing to stop poor women from receiving health care, and get rid of planned parent hood just because a small part of their services are abortions. Sticking probes up their birth canal and biblical counseling may be your idea of informed choices, and restriction on their ability to act on their choices, and decisions, within reason and dignity are patently non existent. But we all know what happens ultimately when you don't listen to what women are saying they want and need.

    You add to that the total ignorance of listening to poor working class people, mostly females with kids, we see your assaults on females rights, and obstruction crosses many lines and it's a wide ranging war not just on women, but poor, old, and young, and minorities.

    But of course you live by the notion you know best what's good for everybody else. So I guess you feel no need to listen and accommodate, or in most cases, act on anything that compromises your so called principles no matter the discriminatory and exclusive nature of them.

    On top of all of that crap, you conservatives send a very insulting and condescending message to others that you just don't care. Not you personally, as you have no more power than the average citizen, but conservative law makers who listen to the fringe right, and fear them.
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    #508

    Sep 8, 2013, 07:15 AM
    And you and Ex just keep ignoring what I actually say and believe in favor of your preferred narrative. Get back to me when you're sincere about the discussion.
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    #509

    Sep 8, 2013, 07:29 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    Get back to me when you're sincere about the discussion.
    You're either being insincere or gullible if you think trap laws have ANYTHING to do with safety.

    Personally, I DON'T think you're gullible.

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    Sep 8, 2013, 07:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    You're either being insincere or gullible if you think trap laws have ANYTHING to do with safety.

    Personally, I DON'T think you're gullible.

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    You're the ones that call them trap laws. If unsafe clinics close so be it. If they want to be safe they'll find a way, but my position is based purely on the facts of the Gosnell case. Allowing clinics that perform medical procedures, especially those that can put lives at risk, to remain open with unsafe conditions is not acceptable to me, I really don't give a rat's a$$ if the law hoped to close abortion clinics or not. To me that seems like an area we could agree on but as I said, you guys put the policy ahead of the woman's safety.
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    Oct 16, 2013, 08:27 AM
    One Democrat war on women is at least temporarily halted. Bob Filthy Filner plead guilty to 3 counts, including one felony, rather than face the jury.

    Former San Diego Mayor Bob Filner was subdued from the moment he strode into the courtroom alone to answer charges that he put a woman in a headlock, kissed another against her will and grabbed the buttocks of a third.

    "Guilty," he told a judge three times during a brief hearing before making a quiet exit and avoiding a throng of reporters.

    It was a sharp contrast to a fiery resignation speech less than two months ago in which the city's first Democratic mayor in 20 years said he was the victim of a lynch mob and denied that his actions amounted to harassment.

    Filner blamed his own shortcomings then but also said those failures were "ammunition" for city power brokers who pointed the gun and the news media that "pulled the trigger."

    Filner, 71, did not comment on his behavior after pleading guilty Tuesday to one felony and two misdemeanors, but his attorney said the former mayor "profusely apologizes."

    "I think he wants to redeem his original legacy, which was a wonderful one, and put this behind him," attorney Jerry Coughlan said.
    I think he was afraid of prison and I'm sure Dems didn't want a recounting of his follies in a trial.
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    #512

    Oct 16, 2013, 08:32 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about the mythical war on Christians/Christmas. Getting to be that time again...

    Bwo ho ho.

    excon
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    #513

    Oct 16, 2013, 08:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about the mythical war on Christians/Christmas. Getting to be that time again...

    Bwo ho ho.

    excon
    That war is in Syria and elsewhere at the moment, but I'm sure you'll ignore it like our leadership and the media.
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    #514

    Oct 16, 2013, 01:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about the mythical war on Christians/Christmas. Getting to be that time again...

    Bwo ho ho.

    excon

    Maybe we can start with this one.

    DOD Bars 50 Priests from Administering Sacraments, Locks Up Eucharist; Priest Sues | CNS News

    DOD took this action because Hagel determined--after consulting with Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department--that civilian Catholic priests, working under contract as chaplains, did not, among other things, “contribute to the morale” and “well-being” of service personnel.
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    #515

    Oct 16, 2013, 02:38 PM
    That's due to the Antideficiency Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as mentioned in the article.
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    #516

    Oct 16, 2013, 02:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about the mythical war on Christians/Christmas. Getting to be that time again...

    Bwo ho ho.

    excon
    Ex that war is being fought out in many places. It will be fought on the streets of Sydney, it is being fought in Nigeria, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, the Middle East, North Africa. It is fought anywhere the Christian population is a minority.
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    #517

    Oct 16, 2013, 02:59 PM
    Doesn't every minority feel downtrodden?
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    #518

    Oct 16, 2013, 03:26 PM
    What is sad is when the majorities of the world are downtrodden
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    #519

    Oct 16, 2013, 03:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    What is sad is when the majorities of the world are downtrodden
    Explain with examples please for clarity, and better understanding of that concept.
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    #520

    Oct 16, 2013, 04:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That's due to the Antideficiency Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as mentioned in the article.
    Maybe this part wasn't clear enough to you.

    DOD has been prohibiting Father Leonard and the other Catholic priests from administering the sacraments and providing other services to their congregations even though two weeks ago Congress passed, and President Barack Obama signed, a law that instructed DOD to maintain on the job and keep paying contract employees who were supporting the troops. - See more at: DOD Bars 50 Priests from Administering Sacraments, Locks Up Eucharist; Priest Sues | CNS News

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