[talaniman]

Now we have apparatchiks in the National Cancer Institute redefining what cancer is for the purpose of cost saving.



Why The Federal Government Wants To Redefine The Word 'Cancer' - Forbes

The article goes on to quote Dr. Milton Wolf, a practicing radiologist who cares for patients with DCIS warns against this Orwellian possibility:


Health care rationing takes many insidious forms but perhaps the most immoral is for the government to wage a public relations campaign designed specifically to dissuade patients and doctors from seeking available cures for cancer. They scheme to rename cancer, not to cure it, but to deny it exists. These government rationers have calculated that rather than actually treat patients with cancer, it’s cheaper to simply keep them as calm as Hindu cows right up to the very end.

Or as the emperor says..... “Maybe you're better off to tell your mother to take a pill"

Or maybe we should be checked early so we don't get to discovering we have a disease when its already in the critical stages. Better outcomes from screening and prevention.

[smoothy]

That's how insurance companies and doctors make all that money - unnecessary tests and procedures.

Doctors Call Out 90 More Unnecessary Medical Tests, Procedures - Forbes

HealthWatch: Saying ‘No’ To Unnecessary Medical Tests « CBS San Francisco

Medical Tests | Unnecessary Medical Tests & Treatments - Consumer Reports

So instead the socialists want the THOUSANDS of new Government employees to be pocketing that instead... while returning no return of investment? YOu don't actually believe the people with the real jobs are going to keep any of it? Its coing to cost a lot more for a lot less coverage... and you have the word of an actual Health care professional proving that's the case...

[tomder55]

That's how insurance companies and doctors make all that money - unnecessary tests and procedures.

Doctors Call Out 90 More Unnecessary Medical Tests, Procedures - Forbes

HealthWatch: Saying 'No' To Unnecessary Medical Tests « CBS San Francisco

Medical Tests | Unnecessary Medical Tests & Treatments - Consumer Reports

Well that ties in nicely with my point about liability and tort reform.the reason extra tests are recommended is CYA

[NeedKarma]

the reason extra tests are recommended is CYA

.. and extracting as much money as possible from the client.

[smoothy]

..and extracting as much money as possible from the client.

Naw... but that is EXACTLY wha tObamacare accomplishes. Extract much MORE money and deliver far less in return for it.

[tomder55]

..and extracting as much money as possible from the client.

Lol
The list was compiled by groups such as the American Academy of Family Physicians; the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine; the American Academy of Pediatrics; the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology; the American Urological Association; and the Society of Thoracic Surgeons.

Yes of course all these doctor associations would be compiling a list of unnecessary procedures to extract as much money from their clients. You would think that they would be promoting the benefits of the procedures if it was a money making scheme.

[J_9]

Naw...but that is EXACTLY wha tObamacare accomplishes. Extract much MORE money and deliver far less in return for it.

Far less indeed. Fewer nurses with higher patient census. It's going by numbers now versus how sick the patients are. Seven patients to one nurse may not seem like a lot to you, but it's astronomical when the patient level of acuity is ignored in favor of numbers.

Your ER wait times will increase because the ER will become a clinic for headaches and flus and colds. Why? Because many competent doctors will opt out of taking patients with Islamacare.

[speechlesstx]

Far less indeed. Fewer nurses with higher patient census. It's going by numbers now versus how sick the patients are. Seven patients to one nurse may not seem like a lot to you, but it's astronomical when the patient level of acuity is ignored in favor of numbers.

Your ER wait times will increase because the ER will become a clinic for headaches and flus and colds. Why? Because many competent doctors will opt out of taking patients with Islamacare.

But proponents say it will reduce ER wait times because people will go to their doctor now that they have insurance. So when they can't get off work, can't afford to take time off work, can't get an appointment with their doctor because of his increased case load, etc. etc. where will they go? If you said the ER step to the front of the line.

Visits to ER rise despite health law

[NeedKarma]

Islamacare

maybe Hitlercare? Or GasOvensCare? Or IranCare? Or ScientologyCare? Or Muslimcare?

LOL!

[smoothy]

Far less indeed. Fewer nurses with higher patient census. It's going by numbers now versus how sick the patients are. Seven patients to one nurse may not seem like a lot to you, but it's astronomical when the patient level of acuity is ignored in favor of numbers.

Your ER wait times will increase because the ER will become a clinic for headaches and flus and colds. Why? Because many competent doctors will opt out of taking patients with Islamacare.

Washington DC has lost half of its Primary Care Physiicians in the last few years... and I have ZERO doubt its happening many other places as well. At some point the trouble and the cost vs. pay will hit a point its no longer desirable or economically feasible to continue to practice medicine.

I don't think a lot of people actually understand how much it costs to keep even a small medical practice open... much less a hospital... or they must actually believe people are going to attend medical school... and all the costs, time and work involved... (and not just for the Doctors) just to work for free.

[J_9]

Doctors are not required to take patients covered by Islamacare. Therefore, many people covered by this insurance will find themselves with no primary healthcare provider, thus the ER will become their primary healthcare provider.

Here in TN, we have a similar insurance plan, or did until it stopped covering many people, TennCare. I've already seen the damage this kind of insurance can inflict.

[tomder55]

That's the way it went down with Romneycare .

To understand how difficult it will be to find a primary care doctor in two years, look no further than Massachusetts. In 2006 the state passed a health care law mandating that everyone obtain insurance (sound familiar?). For those unable to afford the cost, subsidies were made available.

Within weeks, the "uninsurance" rate in Massachusetts dropped precipitously. Commensurate with that was a rise in both the number of "closed" office practices and the length of time it took to get a new patient appointment. Nearly six years after the law passed, more than half of the family practice and internal medicine offices in the state are closed to new patients. According to the Massachusetts Medical Society, the average wait for a new patient to be seen by an internist is 48 days. Turns out insurance doesn't guarantee access after all.

The Doctor Is Out: Young Talent Is Turning Away From Primary Care - John Henning Schumann - The Atlantic

[speechlesstx]

Speaking of fact checks, AP finally decided to do some the day before Zerocare takes effect.

OBAMA: "Knowing you can offer your family the security of health care, that's priceless. Now, you can do it for the cost of your cable bill, probably less than your cellphone bill. Think about that, good health insurance for the price of your cellphone bill or less." — Speech in Largo, Md. on Thursday.

THE FACTS: The family coverage you can get for the cost of a monthly cable or cellphone bill is going to expose you to a hefty share of your medical expenses. Looked at in terms of digital communications, it's more like dial-up Internet than 4G.

The cell-phone analogy has become the talking point of the week for administration officials pitching people on the health care markets opening for business Tuesday. Obama said earlier that of every 10 Americans who are uninsured, "six out of those 10 are going to be able to get covered for less than $100 a month, less than your cellphone bills."

He is referring to the cheapest of four major options offered by the new markets, the "bronze" plan. But, just like with auto insurance, premiums aren't the only potential expense for a consumer. Those who choose bronze will have to pay 40 percent of their medical bills out of pocket through deductibles and copayments. A family's share of medical costs could go as high as $12,700 a year, or $6,350 for individuals, on top of those cell-phone-like premiums.

But I'm sure everyone is just going to LOVE it!

OBAMA: "Premiums are going to be different in different parts of the country depending on how much coverage you buy, but 95 percent of uninsured Americans will see their premiums cost less than was expected." — Largo, Md. speech.

THE FACTS: Less than who expected? Obama is referring to an administration analysis that finds premiums are coming in 16 percent lower than had been estimated by experts at the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Independent analysts find similar results. But it's a stretch to suggest that numbers crunched by CBO's experts would reflect the expectations of regular consumers.

And as has been noted, the increase in prices was less than expected.

REP. KEVIN McCARTHY, R-Calif.: "When we started this health care debate, the president led with a very big promise to the American people: If you like the health care that you have, that you currently have, you can keep it."
...

THE FACTS: McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that. It was an empty promise, made repeatedly. Sebelius picks her words more carefully but still offers misleading assurances.

An empty promise for a plan that originated from a throwaway applause line. But it's going to be GREAT!

[paraclete]

Doctors are not required to take patients covered by Islamacare. Therefore, many people covered by this insurance will find themselves with no primary healthcare provider, thus the ER will become their primary healthcare provider.

Here in TN, we have a similar insurance plan, or did until it stopped covering many people, TennCare. I've already seen the damage this kind of insurance can inflict.

Are you saying there aren't any doctors who receive payment in cash or have they all become employees of insurance companies

[smoothy]

And of course the lefties are only going to be happy if everyone gets screwed... no democrat in recent decades has done anything to actually help someone worthy of help.

Meaning they screw the productive members of society to help the lazy bums who would have starved to death left to their own initiative.

[Wondergirl]

And of course the lefties are only going to be happy if everyone gets screwed.....no democrat in recent decades has done anything to actually help someone worthy of help.

Meaning they screw the productive members of society to help the lazy bums who would have starved to death left to their own initiative.

Are you saying our resident library homeless guy and my friend for 12 years was a lazy bum?

[smoothy]

Are you saying our resident library homeless guy and my friend for 12 years was a lazy bum?

Why is he homeless and not working? Obama was bragging about how utterly fantastic the economy is right now compared to 5 years ago about an hour ago... that means either he was spouting Bovine excrement again on TV... or there are plenty of jobs to go around.

Actually being a worthless member of society isn't mutually exclusive with being friendly... A lot of them are very good at that to get things off people, or get people to do stuff for them, I've known more than my share of people that fit that bill in my life. I'm just sick and tired of ever larger portions of my income being taken off me and given to the people who won't work hard enough to improve their own situation.

Get burned by enough of them... and you start seeing it my way.

[tomder55]

12 years homeless ?

[Wondergirl]

Why is he homeless and not working?

He worked good jobs, but ended up old (60s) and on the street. He died last year at 73.

[Wondergirl]

12 years homeless ?

More than that.