[paraclete]

Hello again, tom:
Couple things..

When Obama was re-elected in 2010,

All in all, this crap might as will have been written by Sarah Palin...

excon

Hey ex with your grasp of history your posts might be written by Sarah Palin

[tomder55]

Actually its been Republicans spending all the money to muddy the water, and in 11 days they will try their last desperate tactic to stop the prez. Shut down the whole government.

Even republicans are panicking over that idea. Wonder why all of them don't agree with Ted Cruz?

If the gvt shuts down it will be at the hands of the emperor. Some eunich Repubics are indeed panicking.

[talaniman]

Then you better run from Ted and his minions, and cut a deal. Oh they will be mad at the government, but most of us see, yet again, who is taking hostages and making unreasonable demands, and threaten the republic.

By most of us, I mean both democrats, republicans, and independents. That leaves his base, the loony right to praise this idiot.

[tomder55]

Wish we had more like Cruz in the Senate . Here's the deal... Obamacare is not even close to ready for implementation . Most state exchanges are not ready and I haven't even heard of a plan for the Federal exchange. The emperor can't decide who he wants to exempt and who he wants to screw . He has illegally made exemptions and unilaterally and unconstitutionally granted tax credits etc . The Pelosi Reid Congress wrote into the law an unconstitutional provision that extends funding credits to Obamacare for a decade knowing they were being booted out of the majority .
So the compromise that will avoid a confrontation that could result in the emperor and Reid shutting the gvt down would be delay implementation for a year ;and take up this fight again after the 2014 mid-terms .

[talaniman]

You got your sequester, be happy with it as it kicks in. You have bills that give money to rich farmers, a few in congress, and cut food stamps by billions. Still you shill for the insurance industry, and note how crazy we are for helping ordinary citizens trapped in the biggest financial disaster of our time. No jobs bill for them even though we have PLENTY of work, and PLENTY of people who need it.

Still you want more from the poor and working poor and give nothing back. Naw! Lets have this confrontation.

[paraclete]

we have PLENTY of work, and PLENTY of people who need it.

If, as you say, this is so, what does it take to connect the two. I suggest you are spouting a myth. We saw this myth in operation for many years here. Jobs than no one was skilled for and they created a fabrication something like your green card that allowed foreign workers to be hired

[tomder55]

You got your sequester, be happy with it as it kicks in. You have bills that give money to rich farmers, a few in congress, and cut food stamps by billions. Still you shill for the insurance industry, and note how crazy we are for helping ordinary citizens trapped in the biggest financial disaster of our time. No jobs bill for them even though we have PLENTY of work, and PLENTY of people who need it.

Still you want more from the poor and working poor and give nothing back. Naw! Lets have this confrontation.

When you see me supporting subsidies for rich farmers then I'll consider that comment relevant... plenty of work ? You must be talking about those table waiting jobs that are making up the biggest increase in women's jobs. That's your
Obama-recovery . FAIL!!

[talaniman]

Well we could build, rebuild some bridges, pave some more highway, you know things besides women waiting table jobs. But whose stopping that? YOU GUYS ARE. Not you personally, but republican elected officials.

I went through this with Reagan, and survived.

[tomder55]

Well we could build, rebuild some bridges, pave some more highway, you know things besides women waiting table jobs. But whose stopping that? YOU GUYS ARE. Not you personally, but republican elected officials.

I went thru this with Reagan, and survived.

Bs ;our policies would 'pave the way' for all those infrastructure jobs you think are a cure all .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

So the compromise that will avoid a confrontation that could result in the emperor and Reid shutting the gvt down

That IS the spin, isn't it? But, NOBODY believes that. All you're doing is guaranteeing that Nancy Peloci will win back her speakership..

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Snicker, snicker..

Excon

[talaniman]

bs ;our policies would 'pave the way' for all those infrastructure jobs you think are a cure all .

Just passing the jobs bill would be easier. Like you could have done a few years ago. Naw you were to busy trying to make Obama a one term president and you failed. So what's the excuse now?

[tomder55]

The fact is that the emperor has drawn a hard line against even negotiating with Republicans on Obamacare or even the debt ceiling. That's what's leading to the threat of a government shutdown, which the Dems believe will work in their favor.They are probably right given their special relationship with the pretorian guard of the 4th estate .

Meanwhile ,despite Tals claims ,it is the Dems who stand to reap the greatest rewards with their special relationship with the insurance lobby .
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us...-law.html?_r=0

[tomder55]

Just passing the jobs bill would be easier. Like you could have done a few years ago. Naw you were to busy trying to make Obama a one term president and you failed. So what's the excuse now?

You are stuck in the 30s

[talaniman]

The fact is that the emperor has drawn a hard line against even negotiating with Republicans on Obamacare or even the debt ceiling. That's what's leading to the threat of a government shutdown, which the Dems believe will work in their favor.They are probably right given their special relationship with the pretorian guard of the 4th estate .

Meanwhile ,despite Tals claims ,it is the Dems who stand to reap the greatest rewards with their special relationship with the insurance lobby .
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us...-law.html?_r=0

But lawmakers have been doing lobby work for years (decades even), so why is it a sin now?

[tomder55]

So you approve of it... I thought so.

[speechlesstx]

But lawmakers have been doing lobby work for years (decades even), so why is it a sin now?

I thought you guys hated lobbyists. In fact, I recall a promise the emperor made, and one of the first he broke...

"I am running to tell the lobbyists in Washington that their days of setting the agenda are over. They have not funded my campaign. They won't work in my White House."

[talaniman]

There is no difference between a lobbyist, and a consultant, except one is illegal for 5 years after leaving government. It's a loophole, this is one of many. Want to close it? I wouldn't mind.

[tomder55]

His political position is untenable, even with the media carrying his water. He will be grinding things to a halt to force Obamacare on the public even though he himself has slashed Obamacare for the benefit of big business and members of Congress
Ordered Liberty » Defund Obamacare!

[talaniman]

Now these are FACTS Congress specifically the house has to approve all spending.

When it comes to spending, Congress has primacy, and pride of place rests with the House (the one-half of one-third Republicans control) because the Constitution mandates that spending bills originate in the lower chamber – the one closest to the people. Equally important, the hard jobs in government are the ones where an officeholder has to do something. It is a lot easier when all that's necessary is to refuse to act. Spending requires a positive act by Congress – not a thin dime may be spent unless Congress approves. That is, there can be no spending on Obamacare unless Congress votes to approve it. Thus, the one-half-of-one-third crowd is in the driver's seat. All they need to do is say, “No.” It is President Obama who needs action here – congressional Republicans need only decline to act.

They did, so don't balk when you get the bill. All you had to do was say no. YOU GUYS DIDN"T say NO!!!

[tomder55]

McCarthy is not quite correct on that point . Since we are still working on a CR ,a move has to be made to take the funding out of the CR (remember that the Dems added a decade worth of funding in the law when they "deemed "it. )