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    #101

    Sep 18, 2013, 02:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I never said ID was science. You say Darwinism is science even though it has more holes in it than swiss cheese . If your idea of science is Darwinism is fact then folks like you would not get off the ground. btw ;building a rocket ship is an engineering feat .
    Yes in the end even Darwin said he was wrong, pity he wasn't more precise or scientific in that statement. Evolution is theory, AGW is theory
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    #102

    Sep 19, 2013, 08:11 AM
    Yes in the end even Darwin said he was wrong
    That's one of those urban myths:
    Darwin
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    #103

    Sep 19, 2013, 08:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That's one of those urban myths:
    Darwin
    Wow, you used Answersingenesis as a reliable source?
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    #104

    Sep 19, 2013, 08:26 AM
    Darwin was well and healthy when he spoke of concerns about the lack of transitional fossils which would've proved his hypothesis .He hoped in the future that some would be found. But that never happened
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    #105

    Sep 19, 2013, 08:35 AM
    Steve,
    Is it not a good explanation?
    You can try:
    Deathbed conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Or
    Inquiring Minds Newsletter
    Or
    John van Wyhe explodes some myths about Darwin | Science | The Guardian
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    #106

    Sep 19, 2013, 09:04 AM
    I'm not the one who put the myth out there, just surprised you would give that group any credibility, them being a leading proponent of creationism and all.
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    #107

    Sep 19, 2013, 09:20 AM
    Science and the Bible
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    #108

    Sep 19, 2013, 11:07 AM
    them being a leading proponent of creationism and all.
    So if they say it's a myth it's a pretty good chance it is. ;-)
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    #109

    Sep 19, 2013, 11:08 AM
    Science and the Bible

    The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible.
    Oh dear.. that's funny. :D
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    #110

    Sep 19, 2013, 11:21 AM
    Is this a push to replace science books in schools with the bible?
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    #111

    Sep 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Is this a push to replace science books in schools with the bible?
    You could do worse but of course you would be a little lacking on detail but some interesting experiments could be held

    Healing
    Speaking to rocks
    Parting seas
    Walking on water
    Stopping time
    Fighting battles with musicians

    All of which proves you have to have God with you if you are going to do these things
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    #112

    Sep 20, 2013, 08:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Is this a push to replace science books in schools with the bible?
    There is a place for both, it is the exclusion of one in favour of the other that is the evil
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    #113

    Sep 20, 2013, 08:21 PM
    Would you feel the same if it was a bible from another religion? There are many you know.
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    #114

    Sep 20, 2013, 10:55 PM
    I'm not against the study of comparative religion as long as none are deliberately excluded.
    It too is in the category of there are alternative views. You see evolution is an alternative view and should be taught in comparative religion
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    #115

    Sep 21, 2013, 01:24 AM
    You see evolution is an alternative view and should be taught in comparative religion
    Except that by definition religions are based on faith whereas evolution is based on observable facts.
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    #116

    Sep 21, 2013, 02:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Except that by definition religions are based on faith whereas evolution is based on observable facts.
    Evolution is as much based on faith as any religion since its central tenents remain unproven
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    #117

    Sep 21, 2013, 02:21 AM
    I guess everything is faith to you, facts can be discarded.
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    #118

    Sep 21, 2013, 03:55 AM
    I'm waiting for the facts to be presented
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    #119

    Sep 21, 2013, 03:59 AM
    Education is a good start.
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    #120

    Sep 21, 2013, 04:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    hey Ex the big bang theory or "evolution" is just another flawed computer model. We could actually be sitting inside a black hole. If we were that would explain a lot of things

    Has the Big Bang theory been busted? | Space, Military and Medicine | News.com.au

    what happens to your religion of science and evolution now?
    The article is not accurate in a couple of areas in relation to the Big Bang. Firstly, the theory itself doesn't say anything about a single point in the universe where the Big Bang occurred.

    Secondly, the theory does explain why there is a uniform temperature. The"lack of time" idea is bound up in the so called, "inflationary period" of expansion.

    The other point worth mentioning is that evolution of the universe and biological evolution are not the same subject matter. In other words, the methodology used in biological evolution can not be used when trying to explain the evolution of the universe.

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