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    Sep 15, 2013, 07:02 AM
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    Hello:

    If we teach Creationism in science class, when those kids graduate, will they know how to MAKE a rocket ship, or PRAY for one?

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    Sep 15, 2013, 07:38 AM
    Science is not the opposite of God. Science is simply understanding the world that we live in that is bound by physical laws. Science can't wrap it's fingers around explaining God because God is OUTSIDE of that which is created.

    If I can have my say here... I do believe evolution should be taught... but only as theory, not fact. However, I do not expect the view point of creationism to be taught in school either. Not everybody is a Christian and that type of thing is what should be taught at home.

    And to sign off on this... anybody who prays for a rocket ship instead of working at one, doesn't understand God, scripture, or the fundamentals of prayer.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 07:42 AM
    I'm with hauntinghelper on this. Often science is proving what the Bible said thousands of years ago. How do you think Rockefeller became a millionaire?
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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:03 AM
    I went to Catholic School where I was taught that God created the Universe . I also was taught science at least as well as the public schools teach it . As I have mentioned more than once on these boards ,there is no inherent conflict between science and religion. Evolution is a flawed hypothesis and ID doesn't fill in the scientific gaps .
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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    However, I do not expect the view point of creationism to be taught in school either. Not everybody is a Christian and that type of thing is what should be taught at home.
    I think it should be mentioned in science class that there are people who believe in Creationism (etc.) and then describe what it is. The more students know about what diverse thinking is out there in the world, the better educated and informed they will be.

    (I grew up in a closed, very conservative, situation and was totally rattled and blown away to find out in high school, and especially in college, that my viewpoint wasn't the only one out there.)
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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:06 AM
    Hello helper,
    I do believe evolution should be taught... but only as theory, not fact
    Thanks for your response...

    I'd only say, that IF the manufacture of the vaccines we regularly inject ourselves with, was based on THEORY and not FACT, I'd NEVER let then near me with their hocus pocus needles.

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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The more students know about what diverse thinking is out there in the world, the better educated and informed they will be.
    But that contradicts the liberal idea of conformity of ideas.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:21 AM
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    but that contradicts the liberal idea of conformity of ideas.
    It's the liberal idea of knowing as much as possible about a certain subject -- pros, cons, and in between (and not the conservative idea of closing your mind to anything your tribe doesn't believe and agree with). That's why we have public libraries, to do in-depth research on a topic.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:32 AM
    Hello again, tom:
    but that contradicts the liberal idea of conformity of ideas.
    Which party is PURIFYING itself because SOME don't "conform"? Here's a hint. It AIN'T the liberals.

    Boy, oh boy. I really think you BELIEVE that tripe you posted..

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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:56 AM
    Which party is PURIFYING itself because SOME don't "conform"?
    ,

    Umm ,how many of the 2006 blue dog coalition is left in the Dems ? How many pro-life, pro-gun moderates Dems are left ? They bullied Sen. Max Baucus into retirement and are going after Sen. Mark Pryor. By the time they are finished the Dem party will be nothing but a Northeast and Pacific coast party . Even there ;they purged Joe Lieberman because he was not liberal enough . Not too long ago the Dems welcomed Arlen Specter into their ranks only to primary him out of a job. Blanche Lincoln was forced into a primary run off by a lefty . Weakened sufficiently by her party ,she lost the general election.
    Now about that charge about the Repubics... Speaker Bonehead and the other beltway Repubics have been doing a pretty effective job keeping the conservatives in line unfortunately .
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    Sep 15, 2013, 08:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello helper,Thanks for your response...

    I'd only say, that IF the manufacture of the vaccines we regularly inject ourselves with, was based on THEORY and not FACT, I'd NEVER let then near me with their hocus pocus needles.

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    Vaccines are only theory, look how every year they say they can only guess what strain of flu to make their conncotion for.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 09:05 AM
    Hello again, N0:
    Vaccines are only theory,
    I take it then, that you would NEVER put that voo doo theory stuff into your body.

    Would I be correct or not?

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    Sep 15, 2013, 09:09 AM
    Definitely I never do any vaccines
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    Sep 15, 2013, 09:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    Definitely I never do any vaccines
    In the '40s and '50s, I suffered from and could have died because of having every disease known to childhood (except whooping cough) because of no vaccines. My vaccinated kids didn't.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 09:43 AM
    Hello again, Carol:
    My vaccinated kids didn't.
    That's only your theory.

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    Sep 15, 2013, 09:55 AM
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    Hello again, Carol:
    That's only your theory.

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    Dear excon:

    They had none of the diseases I had. Not even theoretically.

    Respectfully,
    WG
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    Sep 15, 2013, 10:00 AM
    There is proof that doctors had whooping cough and many of the diseases they vaccinate for under control before drug companies came out with vaccines for them at the brink of a decrease in these diseases, thus making it look like the vaccines were the cure.
    In fact the past few years it has been proven that the places that have had a break out of whooping cough were people that were actually vaccinated for whooping cough.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 10:04 AM
    Hello again, N0:
    Definitely I never do any vaccines
    Not polio? Not Diphtheria? If you got bit by a dog, you wouldn't get a rabies shot? If you stepped on a rusty nail, you wouldn't get a tetanus shot?

    I don't know if you have kids, but do you leave them unprotected too.

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    Sep 15, 2013, 10:31 AM
    The answer to your original question is both. They will build what they know and pray for it to work properly while everyone is kept safe doing so.
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    Sep 15, 2013, 11:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, N0:
    Not polio?? Not Diphtheria? If you got bit by a dog, you wouldn't get a rabies shot? If you stepped on a rusty nail, you wouldn't get a tetanus shot?

    I dunno if you have kids, but do you leave them unprotected too.

    excon
    It depends, but I am not going to take any preventative shots.

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