[speechlesstx]

I've never seen so many people so excited over something they admit sucks.

[smoothy]

I've never seen so many people so excited over something they admit sucks.

They don't like it... just like most lefties and welfare recipients... they want something free that others will have to pay the tab for.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I've never seen so many people so excited over something they admit sucks.

It sucks LESS than what we had. And, I see that you have NO response to my question. It WAS you who told me that going back to what we had is what you think we should do...

Or, maybe you didn't tell me that, because you really weren't clear.. Doncha think NOW is a good time for clarity? I'd be WILLING to dump Obamacare for Speechlesscare if you'd only tell me what that is..

I ASK, because we KNOW that even the right wing LOVES the good stuff in Obamacare... They just don't want to PAY for it.

Excon

[smoothy]

It sucks a LOT MORE than what we've had... but then I wasn't a cheap SOB so I bought my insurance before I spent my money on stupid stuff.

I have gotten great health care before now as a result.

[speechlesstx]

We have given answers but you ignore them, but yes I'd rather go back to what we had than have our federal government running things. And what gets me is none of you lefties seem to be bothered by all the special interest carve outs that are still coming. I thought you hated such favoritism, seeing as how it goes against your core beliefs.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

And what gets me is none of you lefties seem to be bothered by all the special interest carve outs that are still coming

I didn't like the carve outs for the insurance industry that Obama put IN the law to ATTRACT right wing support, but that didn't happen... I didn't LIKE any of the stuff he put in there for no good reason because right wing support was NEVER going to happen, and Obama was naïve enough to think it would.

So, these carve outs ain't much different than the other ones.

Let me ask you something else... You KNOW we're NOT going to go back, don't you?? You don't really think you can STOP it, even by shutting down the government, do you? Do you support shutting down the government if Obamacare is not de-funded?

Excon

[tomder55]

Just wait to you try and convince all these young adults who are barely making it in this Obamaeconomy that the cost of their healthcare is going to sky rocket to pay for all these carve outs and special deals for geezers.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

in this Obamaeconomy that the cost of their healthcare is going to sky rocket

Nahhhh... When the exchanges become available, rates will drop.

Excon

[smoothy]

[NeedKarma]

I'm pretty sure you aren't using that meme correctly.

[smoothy]

Nah... its meant for the people that think the Medical Industry is screwing them as they sleep... the ones that believe Obamacare will cure everything and be free for everyone.

All they have to do is find millions of doctors willing to pay a fortune and spend years in medical school , set up and run offices and buy equipment... to work for free. So welfare bums can get something for nothing.

[NeedKarma]

Medical Industry is screwing them as they sleep

No one thinks that, it's the insurance industry that is doing that.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:
Nahhhh... When the exchanges become available, rates will drop.

excon

Yeah, Ohioans will save 21% on premiums - based on the expected increase of 22% - thanks to subsidies. Nebraskans could see a 143% increase and Wisconsinites up to a 125% increase in premiums.

If all those young 'uns that can't afford it sign up there's bound to be a little room for prices to come down from there.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:
Nahhhh... When the exchanges become available, rates will drop.

excon

Obamacare forces insurers to charge their oldest beneficiaries no more than 3 x what they charge their youngest ones(“community rating.”) This, despite the fact that these geezers have 6x the health care expenditures that younger people face.If insurers can't charge older people according to their risk, they have to make up those costs by charging higher premiums to those younger. The net effect is a redistribution of insurance costs from the old to the young. Now you know why AARP was so gung-ho for the law.

[talaniman]

The plan to let them old geezers just die got voted down. Hmm, we could cut the middle man out and save a lot of loot. Or YOU could pay for the young kid with no insurance when he wrecks his bike and body hot dogging for some chick.

Its not lost on anyone that the alternative to Obama care is going back to insurance companies make their profits. Even though the naysayers already have insurance that rises steadily and has been for 30 years.

[tomder55]

The plan to let them old geezers just die got voted down

No it didn't Obamacare took care of that too.You like to call it the IPAB... but I call it what it is ,the death panel . But the cool thing is that Dem geezers like Democratic National Committee Chairman Dr. Howard Dean are beginning to understand what it's about and are beginning to call for it's repeal.

One by one ,Obamacare is being delayed and opposed by more and more former supporters . But time isn't on our side ,because once the 1st part ,the entitements kick in ,then it will be as difficult to end as those other Federal entitlement frauds.

[smoothy]

Yeah... we all know how frequently the Federal Government have demonstrated their ability to not only be profitible... but to set the standard of efficiency the private sector aspires to match.

(sarcasm font engaged)

[talaniman]

no it didn't Obamacare took care of that too.You like to call it the IPAB...but I call it what it is ,the death panel . But the cool thing is that Dem geezers like Democratic National Committee Chairman Dr. Howard Dean are beginning to understand what it's about and are beginning to call for it's repeal.

One by one ,Obamacare is being delayed and opposed by more and more former supporters . But time aint on our side ,because once the 1st part ,the entitements kick in ,then it will be as difficult to end as those other Federal entitlement frauds.

Like Social Security, and Medicare? Even the TParty loves them, and they have said hands off. And they are old geezers too.

And don't take supporters who like what they have and wanting to keep it as supporting your repeal efforts. Having issues and questions is what it's about, destroying it is exclusive right wing sour grapes.

[speechlesstx]

Speaking of unions, in spite of some serious lobbying from the White House the AFL-CIO went on record with a vote on a resolution critical of Obamacare.

AFL-CIO resolution criticizes Obamacare, seeks major changes | Mobile Washington Examiner

Delegates to the AFL-CIO convention in Los Angeles approved a resolution Wednesday calling for major changes to the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

The resolution passed by voice vote despite furious lobbying from White House officials calling on Big Labor leaders to table the resolution.

The resolution states: "The ACA should be administered in a manner that preserves the high-quality health coverage multi-employer plans have provided to union families for decades and, if this is not possible, we will demand the ACA be amended by Congress."

Seems we aren't the only ones not happy with Zero care. The emperor is not having a good week... serves him right. The rest of us who warned you about him? Not so much. Thanks for foistng this nightmare on us.

[paraclete]

Speaking of unions, in spite of some serious lobbying from the White House the AFL-CIO went on record with a vote on a resolution critical of Obamacare.



Seems we aren't the only ones not happy with Zero care. The emperor is not having a good week... serves him right. The rest of us who warned you about him? Not so much. Thanks for foistng this nightmare on us.

Has the duck hunting season opened over there already, are lame ducks easier to hit?