[paraclete]

be careful what you wish for!

Julia Gillard may have performed better in election campaign than Kevin Rudd, say key Labor Party figures | News.com.au

must be a gen-X thing we have lost our attention span and can't keep a leader, make that celebrity, in focus for more than ten seconds. Kevin 07 will not, no way, be KevinonSept7. You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time, we have borrowed a lot from american politics in this campaign we may as well borrow that.

So Labor wants to resurrect the revolving leadership door. Here's a revolving leadership door prediction, Shorten as Leader of the Opposition on September 8

[tomder55]

The price of a carbon tax . Lose political power... word to the libs .
Australia is the canary in the coal mine.

Australian gov't faces carbon tax backlash at poll - New York News

[paraclete]

Well they may be right but you have to know the bigger picture Labor has been on the nose in all Australian mainland states for years and should not have governed in the last three years and introduced these taxes. Today we will complete the rout and hopefully be rid of them for a generation. An interesting facit of this election is the rise of the right wing minor parties the PUP and the KAP and dozens of others you see it's raining cats and dogs here the result of KRUDD

[paraclete]

The dogs are barking

Well we see the end of KRUDD at least for a time but the dogs are barking as PUP might have gained a seat and definitely will have a presence in the Senate, but the dogs have destabilised the swing and Katter on the side of the Kats might actually loose which would be poetic justice as the independents are wiped out in retribution for their turncoat ways

[tomder55]

I'll get back to you in a couple days when I decipher what you just wrote.

[Tuttyd]

I'll get back to you in a couple days when I decipher what you just wrote.

I will translate.

The Palmer United Party gained a seat in the lower house and looks like gaining a seat in the Senate. Palmer stood more or less as an independent. His platform was largely the abolition of the carbon tax. No paid political lobbyists and mineral wealth to contribute the welfare of the Australian community.He had other policies as well.

The independents who sided with Labor were voted out or retired because they saw the writing on the wall. The Greens who were largely responsible for the carbon tax still did well in some electorates. How they did overall still remains to be seen.

[paraclete]

Let me tell you I just witnessed the Brutus was an honerable man speech or if you like I didn't loose, the opposition won, I didn't loose a seat in Queensland and after all isn't that what matters Krudd was not magnamious in defeat, he said you won't hear from me for a while

[paraclete]

I will translate.

The Palmer United Party gained a seat in the lower house and looks like gaining a seat in the Senate. Palmer stood more or less as an independent. His platform was largely the abolition of the carbon tax. No paid political lobbyists and mineral wealth to contribute the the welfare of the Australian community.He had other policies as well.

The independents who sided with Labor were voted out or retired because they saw the writing on the wall. The Greens who were largely responsible for the carbon tax still did well in some electorates. How they did overall still remains to be seen.

Tutt they have less support, the PUP soaked up the protest vote

[tomder55]

Some of Palmer's platform sounds reasonable enough that Abbot should make a deal with them and adopt them... the no carbon tax is a no brainer . I would refine his mineral wealth proposal to just cut an annual distribution check to every Aussie from a newly created 'energy royalty investment program' .

[paraclete]

Don't be fooled neither of the major parties wanted Palmer he is another of these mavericks that emerge from time to time. Howard tried to embrace Hanson's policies instead of burying her and we still have Hanson (One Nation) contesting elections. Katter is a rogue national who formed his own Party and Palmer is another, Palmer's ascendency is not because of policies, it is because of money, he threw huge amounts of money into his campaign. This is what you get when you have egomaniacs like Krudd as leaders. Campbell Newman in Queensland is another one who's style has spawned this sort of opposition. Queensland is a hot bed for these minor parties and they spill over into the federal arena

[tomder55]

Still fringe politics occasionally comes up with a policy worth consideration. The way to coopt the fringes is to usurp their plans and call them your own .

[paraclete]

Yes as I said Howard tried that and we still haven't go rid of Hanson. Hanson stands for a red necked ultra right wing approach which basically says give nothing to anyone, you would be right at home in her policies Tom. PUP is playing to populist ideas and has stolen them from the major parties, lower taxes is nothing new to our politics but PUP thinks a mining led recovery in a time of mining decline is the way to go. PUP is a spoiler that grabbed the dissident labor vote and denyied the Libs the landslide victory they deserved, particularly in Queensland. It is that nasty side of american politics we see has been imported here where only money talks

[talaniman]

Australia already had its own greedy people so don't blame us for your shortcomings.

[paraclete]

Of course we have our own greedy people but they have observed your political system and see the opportunity yours affords to exploit their greed, therefore your tactics were used in this election, we even had students, non citizens, blitzing electorates to ensure a Labor vote, now where did they get that idea from? We had Krudd spending the last afternoon of the campaign tweeting I wonder where he got that idea from?

[NeedKarma]

My condolences on your election results.

[tomder55]

Australia liberated from their long national green nightmare.

[NeedKarma]

The buzz on social media is not as happy as you make it out to be. Many residents seem to be embarrassed by the results.

[paraclete]

Australia liberated from their long national green nightmare.

I wish it were so but the Greens will hold the balance in the Senate until next June

The buzz on social media is not as happy as you make it out to be. Many residents seem to be embarrassed by the result

Karma you can't satisy everybody I would have liked to see a wipeout but 15 seats is a good result. The archietecs of the last six years have gone. PUP saved them by introducing a third factor in Queensland. That allowed a protest vote with preferences flowing back to Labor. But worse Clive Palmer will be elected with 20% of the vote, I can see the benefit of first past the post. The minor parties are going to be difficult to manage in the Senate, they are a diverse group with no real policies and the system needs reform so this can't happen again. The donkey vote was far too strong and the first slot on the Senate ticket went to a group who could easily be mistaken for a major party and who will gain a seat not on their policies but because of mistaken identity and in fact I think the AEC site was hacked to show a how to vote with them given number one vote, a government must be able to govern, they have a mandate which should not be twarted by minor interests and deceiptfull conduct. In my electorate our Senate ticket had 110 candidates, who could make sense of it when you are only electing six candidates and any mistake invalidates the vote

What we got was about eight senate seats that went to minor parties out of 40 up for election meaning the elected government has a stalemate

[tomder55]

Abbott, used a psychiatric report of KRudd to exploit his known mental instabilities lol .

Describing grandiose narcissism as less a psychiatric disease and more a destructive character defect, the document suggested Rudd was held together by one key strut: an absolute conviction of intellectual superiority over everyone else. “Kick out that strut and he will collapse”.
Rudd, the document went on, was vulnerable to any challenge to his self-belief that he was more widely-read, smarter and more knowledgeable than anyone else “on the planet”. Such a condition of grandiose narcissism would make Rudd obsessively paranoid, excessively vindictive – “prepared to wait years to get revenge”.

'Grandiose narcissist': The secret diagnosis that helped bring down Kevin Rudd
Sounds like the emperor to me.

[speechlesstx]

The buzz on social media is not as happy as you make it out to be. Many residents seem to be embarrassed by the results.

Let's see, election results or social media? I'll go with election results for a thousand.