[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

Snowden deserves to be the victim of a prison rape.

So, you didn't want to know that the government is SPYING on you?? I wanted to know. You'd rather be kept in the DARK?? Really?? Nahhhh.

How about if the IRS targeted right wingers in SECRET?? Wouldn't THAT be something you'd like to know??

Excon

[tomder55]

At least we can admit that Snowden is a hero for disclosing secrets that should not be secret.

I don't admit that at all. What we have in Snowjob is (if I'm being generous) is some desk jockey who decided on his own to grab electronic information that he doesn't own ;and to make a unilateral decision to disclose it . Why would I think he's more competent to decide what should be a secret than our elected leaders ? Had he gone through the proper channels to disclose this information then perhaps I could look on him as a hero instead of a sap who will now spend the rest of his life on the run ,or in a Russian gulag ,or in some 3rd world version of a gulag ,or possibly in an American jail when he tires of running .

[tomder55]

Hello again, smoothy:
So, you didn't want to know that the government is SPYING on you??? I wanted to know. You'd rather be kept in the DARK???? Really??? Nahhhh.

How about if the IRS targeted right wingers in SECRET??? Wouldn't THAT be something you'd like to know???

excon

Based on the article,it doesn't appear that the emperor's concern is the nature of the apparent 4th amendment violations as much as his concern for ending leaks. I'll remind you that it was such a concern that drove Nixon to create 'the plumbers '.Is James Clapper the new G Gordon Liddy ?

[NeedKarma]

So it should have been kept a secret then? I'm confused as to what you guys want.

[talaniman]

How companies spy on you:

How to Know If People Are Spying on Your Computer | eHow

Corporations Spy On Citizens | A Nation In Peril

Maybe while we are mad about the government invading our privacy (to protect us from terrorists and criminal), we should be as mad about private companies doing the same thing(and not to protect us).

We can make the government stop, or at least show enough probable cause but what about the banks, insurance companies, or McDonald's. Walmart's tracks your stuff too.

[tomder55]

So it should have been kept a secret then? I'm confused as to what you guys want.

My problem is that there are legitimate state secrets that someone at his level should not be deciding are worthy of revelation. Already such leaks have cost American and American assets lives . Snowjob left with a PC full of information that the Chinese had the first crack at and the Russians the next . Maybe he had nothing... Maybe he gave them critical intel. It was not up to him to decide .

Had Snowjob gone to the relevant Congressional committies with his information then I would've had more respect for what he did . Had he disclosed them and then hung around to defend his actions (ala Daniel Ellsburg )I would've had more respect for him. He doesn't look like a hero to me .He looks like a traitor .

[tomder55]

How companies spy on you:

How to Know If People Are Spying on Your Computer | eHow

Corporations Spy On Citizens | A Nation In Peril

Maybe while we are mad about the government invading our privacy (to protect us from terrorists and criminal), we should be as mad about private companies doing the same thing(and not to protect us).

We can make the government stop, or at least show enough probable cause but what about the banks, insurance companies, or McDonald's. Walmart's tracks your stuff too.

What power does Micky D's have over you ?

[NeedKarma]

Had Snowjob gone to the relevant Congressional committies with his information then I would've had more respect for what he did .

As you know that would never have seen the light of day.

[tomder55]

No I don't know that at all.

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:
So, you didn't want to know that the government is SPYING on you??? I wanted to know. You'd rather be kept in the DARK???? Really??? Nahhhh.

How about if the IRS targeted right wingers in SECRET??? Wouldn't THAT be something you'd like to know???

excon

I know a lots of what they are doing.. I'm sure there is a lot more I don't even know they are doing.

I have a biigger fear of what some beuracrat is trying to shove up my butt while they are holding me down... and telling me its going to be good for me... than what they are going to overhear.

[NeedKarma]

I have a biigger fear of what some beuracrat is trying to shove up my butt while they are holding me down..

No, I would think your total loss of privacy would bother you more. But your fantasies are indeed interesting.

[smoothy]

No, I would think your total loss of privacy would bother you more. But your fantasies are indeed interesting.

Privacy in the modern world is not what your think... or expect it is.

Unless maybe you live in the Northern Territories... where it actually might. But then you would be more concerned with survival and getting eaten by polar bears... than what someone might overhear.

[talaniman]

what power does Micky D's have over you ?

They have power over their employees.

[smoothy]

As employers should... if those employee went out and started their own businesses and hired people that would too.

But the customers of any business have power over that employer.

[talaniman]

And the power to retaliate against the ones protesting on their own time, or congregating to organize their own union.

[smoothy]

That's the price that goes with freedom of speech... there is no freedom from consequences.

That's why its called at-will employment... stick your finger in your bosses eye.. don't be surpised to find a pink slip.

[speechlesstx]

They have power over their employees.

You work for McDonald's?

[tomder55]

They have power over their employees.

If I'm using a company PC why would I expect privacy ?

[tomder55]

The Compost momentarilary dropped their Praetorian Press status to do some real reporting :

The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents.

Most of the infractions involve unauthorized surveillance of Americans or foreign intelligence targets in the United States, both of which are restricted by statute and executive order. They range from significant violations of law to typographical errors that resulted in unintended interception of U.S. e-mails and telephone calls.

NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds - The Washington Post

The NSA audit obtained by The Post, dated May 2012, counted 2,776 incidents in the preceding 12 months of unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications.

In other words the audit results were completed during the 2012 election cycle and was withheld from the public . Not only that ,but they withheld the results from the highest ranking members of Congress .

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who did not receive a copy of the 2012 audit until The Post asked her staff about it, said in a statement late Thursday that the committee “can and should do more to independently verify that NSA's operations are appropriate, and its reports of compliance incidents are accurate.”

The causes and severity of NSA infractions vary widely. One in 10 incidents is attributed to a typographical error in which an analyst enters an incorrect query and retrieves data about U.S phone calls or e-mails.

But the more serious lapses include unauthorized access to intercepted communications, the distribution of protected content and the use of automated systems without built-in safeguards to prevent unlawful surveillance.
The May 2012 audit, intended for the agency's top leaders, counts only incidents at the NSA's Fort Meade headquarters and other ­facilities in the Washington area. Three government officials, speak­ing on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters, said the number would be substantially higher if it included other NSA operating units and regional collection centers.

Clearly the requirement to run some of these ops past the FISA court was no road block ,or even a speed bump for that matter .

In another case, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has authority over some NSA operations, did not learn about a new collection method until it had been in operation for many months. The court ruled it unconstitutional.

Before he went on his excellent vacation ,the emperor held a presser where he proposed a 'national conversation' about NSA surveillance . Then he proposed some cosmetic changes to the agency .
How the President's Message on NSA Spying Has Evolved - NationalJournal.com

Here's one he could do immediately... force the agency to operate under EXISTING laws and restraints .

[smoothy]

Why would he do that.. the White House and DOJ don't operate under existing laws now either.