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    #421

    Aug 2, 2013, 09:20 AM
    Get a room.
    You will get a swift response sir!
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    #422

    Aug 2, 2013, 09:21 AM
    I'm trembling.
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    #423

    Aug 2, 2013, 09:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    you accuse me of something you'd better back it up
    You already proved my point all by yourself.
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    #424

    Aug 2, 2013, 09:22 AM
    You already proved my point all by yourself.
    Yep, but he can't see it.
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    Aug 2, 2013, 09:31 AM
    I bet you're both a blast at parties.
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    #426

    Aug 2, 2013, 09:38 AM
    Going to one tonight!

    But I get you're trying to insult us again.
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    Aug 2, 2013, 09:54 AM
    If the shoe fits...
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    #428

    Aug 2, 2013, 12:06 PM
    And the latest in the "war on women" being waged by Texas and other states, and in agreement with other recent polls. It seems women are in favor of late term abortion bans, but us wingers wouldn't know anything about that, right?
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    Aug 2, 2013, 12:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    late term abortion bans
    Another "random survey" -- "Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,468 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones."
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    Aug 2, 2013, 01:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Another "random survey" -- "Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,468 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones."
    OK, take the 2.6 points away and what do you have? As indicated this is not the first recent polls showing support for a ban on late term abortions, particularly among women.

    At the same time, reflecting underlying unease with abortion, more say it should be legal without limitation only up to 20 weeks (as in some recent state laws), as opposed to about 24 weeks, as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the landmark Roe v. Wade case; the division is 56-27 percent (an additional 8 percent volunteer that it should never be legal).
    60% of women in the ABC poll favored a 20 week limit as opposed to 24% for a 24 week limit.

    P.S. Isn't that how most polls are done, random surveys?
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    #431

    Aug 2, 2013, 01:40 PM
    Those who don't like late term abortions shouldn't get them. Can it be that simple?
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    Aug 2, 2013, 01:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    this is not the first recent polls showing support for a ban on late term abortions
    Is there a comprehensive survey that's been done of women who have had late-term abortions -- how many per month and why they waited that long?
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    #433

    Aug 2, 2013, 01:46 PM
    Infanticide may be legal in Canada but I don't want to follow your 'lead' on that. While you may not agree it's human life at conception, surely at some point even you can see it's killing a person that could survive outside the womb.
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    #434

    Aug 2, 2013, 01:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Those who don't like late term abortions shouldn't get them. Can it be that simple?
    They don't have to marry a gay person either.
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    Aug 2, 2013, 01:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Is there a comprehensive survey that's been done of women who have had late-term abortions -- how many per month and why they waited that long?
    So in other words the opinion of women suddenly doesn't matter?
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    Aug 2, 2013, 01:51 PM
    There are more opinions that don't get surveyed to listen too.
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    #437

    Aug 2, 2013, 01:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So in other words the opinion of women suddenly doesn't matter?
    Huh? Did I say that? I asked for stats of late-term abortions and why they were done -- e.g. to irritate Republicans or for medical reasons or just for fun.

    Do a random survey of 30,000 women and let me know the result. And ask the right questions.
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    Aug 2, 2013, 02:00 PM
    The Quinnipiac University poll released on June 6, 2013 --

    First, the poll was deceptive in failing to define terms.
    Second, the poll was incomplete.
    Third, the Quinnipiac poll also asked respondents whether they thought abortion should be legal in all cases, most cases, few cases or no cases.

    That Quinnipiac Poll | New York State Catholic Conference
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    When women have abortions*

    Eighty-eight percent of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, 2006.

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    *http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
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    In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute collected questionnaires from 1,900 women in the United States who came to clinics to have abortions. Of the 1,900 questioned, 420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks. These 420 women were asked to choose among a list of reasons they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. The results were as follows:[2]

    71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
    48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
    33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
    24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
    8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
    8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
    6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
    6% Woman didn't know timing is important
    5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
    2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
    11% Other

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_te...n_of_pregnancy
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    #439

    Aug 2, 2013, 02:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Huh? Did I say that?
    It was a question, hence the question mark.

    I asked for stats of late-term abortions and why they were done -- e.g. to irritate Republicans or for medical reasons or just for fun.
    I'm not a pollster.

    Do a random survey of 30,000 women and let me know the result. And ask the right questions.
    It was 3 polls and rarely does anyone survey 30,000 people for these. A majority of women favored a limit of 20 weeks in all three. Does their opinion not matter, because I'm not the one discounting their opinions.
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    #440

    Aug 2, 2013, 03:06 PM
    So in other words the opinion of women suddenly doesn't matter?
    Ah yes, the conservative nannyers want to ban everything - apparently they know what's better for us than we do.

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