[talaniman]

You said it's a train wreck and I showed you despite the noise and creative use of adjectives, there are some who will quietly make adjustments and profit.

Show me a business man who cannot leverage his employees for a better deal for his health care costs, and I will show you a bad business man. Or one that won't pay his employees enough to forego benefits, which he leveraged to save himself money in the first place.

[speechlesstx]

You said its a train wreck and I showed you despite the noise and creative use of adjectives, there are some who will quietly make adjustments and profit.

Show me a business man who cannot leverage his employees for a better deal for his health care costs, and I will show you a bad business man. Or one that won't pay his employees enough to forego benefits, which he leveraged to save himself money in the first place.

And we're back to this. Dude, you said we're embellishing. Where did we embellish? We didn't, we reported reality, what's happening on the streets including from a number of unions that went to bat for Obamacare that say it sucks. People are losing jobs or getting cut to part time, that's fact. Your posturing about how stupid businessmen are isn't going to matter to that single mom that just got cut back to 30 hours.

[tomder55]

Lol ,your fearless leader just gave businesses the opportunity to dump the benefits penalty free. But that was probably part of the behind doors negotiations anyway. That way the employees ;who now have not been granted the same consideration of a delay in implementation of the individual mandate will be forced onto the state exchanges... (always keep your eyes on the prize of a totally government run system )... or pay the penalty (ooops I mean tax).

[speechlesstx]

Meanwhile, moderate Democrats are turning sour on Zerocare, and before the "honey pot" for scammers is even set out...

[speechlesstx]

It's come to this, you just can't make this stuff up and all my other favorite sayings and then some...

IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare

IRS employees have a prominent role in Obamacare, but their union wants no part of the law.

National Taxpayer Employee Union officials are urging members to write their congressional representatives in opposition to receiving coverage through President Obama’s health care law.

The union leaders are providing members with a form letter to send to the congressmen that says “I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.”

Like most other federal workers, IRS employees currently get their health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which also covers members of Congress.

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp offered the bill in response to reports of congressional negotiations that would exempt lawmakers and their staff from Obamacare.

“Camp has long believed every American ought to be exempt from the law, which is why he supports full repeal,” Camp spokeswoman Allie Walkersaid.

“If the Obamacare exchanges are good enough for the hardworking Americans and small businesses the law claims to help, then they should be good enough for the president, vice president, Congress and federal employees,” she also said.

“The NTEU represents Internal Revenue Service employees who have the responsibility to enforce much of the health insurance law, especially in terms of collecting the taxes and distributing subsidies that finance the whole system,” said Paul Kersey, director of Labor Policy at the Illinois Policy Institute.

“IRS agents will also collect data and apply penalties for those who fail to comply with many of Obamacare’s requirements,” Kersey said.

[talaniman]

I guess they like what they got and don't want a repub to come along and take it away. But that's what repubs do don't they?

[smoothy]

I like what I got.for medical care... and its not the Republicans that are trying to take it away... its the Democrats that are doing that.

[talaniman]

You aren't entitled to your own facts,

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp offered the bill in response to reports of congressional negotiations that would exempt lawmakers and their staff from Obamacare.

The Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people. Keep squealing because we ain't repealing. But some of your brainy ideas will get struck down in the court of law.

[speechlesstx]

I guess they like what they got and don't want a repub to come along and take it away. But that's what repubs do don't they?

I liked what I had, too, but interesting that the people charged with enforcing it don't even want what you forced on the rest of us against our will. Too damn bad, if I have to live with so should they.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know.. You were all pissed off at Obama for not implementing parts of Obamacare... Now, you want to do the same thing, only bigger. Why is he bad and you're good?

excon

[tomder55]

You aren't entitled to your own facts,



The Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people. Keep squealing because we ain't repealing. But some of your brainy ideas will get struck down in the court of law.

Maybe some defunding is in order then . But I know that the Repubics have spines of jelly fish and won't .

[speechlesstx]

Obamacare call center workers to be denied health care benefits...

Concord: Half of Affordable Care Act call center jobs will be part-time - ContraCostaTimes.com

[talaniman]

maybe some defunding is in order then . But I know that the Repubics have spines of jelly fish and won't .

Not all republican are TParty fanatics. And not all TParty fanatics think that corporate slavery is a good idea either.

Especially when the defunding like the sequester surely will affect the lives of woman children and working poor people a lot greater than upper middle class and rich folk. Poor TParty types will find themselves in the same place as the other poor folks and they won't like it. Willing to bet that even rural conservatives want the same benefits of the ACA, and higher wages in a growing service industry that keeps people from rising above where they are stuck at.

Even the TParty working poor will be tired of hearing the boss holler about cutting hours and benefits while he extracts greater profits. So defund benefits from the very youth you will have to depend on to keep to keep your conservative enclaves thriving.

[speechlesstx]

So, there won't be any health care rationing with Obamacare, eh?

“No one here is talking about rationing,” said Peter Orszag, director of the White House Office for Management and Budget. “What we are talking about, look at the source of that 30 percent or so in potential efficiency gains in the health system are from unnecessary procedures, unnecessary days in hospital, unnecessary applications of technology and what have you.”

- See more at: White House Vows No Rationing in Health Care Reform Package | CNS News

Seems the Deaniac has changed his mind about it...

One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

I know, we already have rationing, "The Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people" blah, blah, blah...

[tomder55]

So, there won't be any health care rationing with Obamacare, eh?



Seems the Deaniac has changed his mind about it...



I know, we already have rationing, "The Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people" blah, blah, blah...

Sarah Palin... right again. On Facebook she comments "Wish I had been wrong about this one..."

Don't Fund Obamacare

[smoothy]

And we are back to the original question... if this was so freaking great why are ALL of the people that wrote it, or are ramming it down our throats... or trying t convince us how great it is... are exempt from it themselves... by their own action.

[paraclete]

Yes there is one rule for the shepards and another for the sheep

[speechlesstx]

Count the IRS chief as among those who don't want the health care plan they're charged to enforce...

"Mr. Werfel, last week your employees who are a member of the National Treasury Employee's Union sent a form letter for union members to send in to ask they be exempt from the exchanges," a congressman asked. "Why are your employees trying to exempt themselves from the very law that you're tasked to enforce?"

"I don't want to speak for the NTEU, but I'll offer a perspective as a federal employee myself and a federal employee at the IRS," said the IRS chief. "And that is, we have right now as employees of the government, of the IRS, affordable health care coverage. I think the ACA was designed to provide an option or an alternative for individuals that do not. And all else being equal, I think if you're an individual who is satisfied with your health care coverage, you're probably in a better position to stick with that coverage than go through the change of moving into a different environment and going through that process. So I think for a federal employee, I think more likely, and I would -- can speak for myself, I would prefer to stay with the current policy that I'm pleased with rather than go through a change if I don't need to go through that change."

UPDATE: Texas senator John Cornyn responds:

“Count the head of the IRS among the growing list of folks that includes Big Labor and the law’s chief architect who are deeply skeptical of the President’s signature achievement and don’t want any part of

I know, "the Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people" blah, blah, blah...

Come on, if your own people are running from what you forced on us isn't that your first clue it sucks?

[Wondergirl]

Come on, if your own people are running from what you forced on us isn't that your first clue it sucks?

We were told from the get-go that, if we have a health care plan we like, we can keep it. If we have no plan or don't like the one we have, the ACA will give us choices. My son has BC/BS which jacks up the cost $25 or more every quarter. He will be looking for a better deal.

[speechlesstx]

The "if you like it you can keep it" thing has been debunked so many times I'd be embarrassed to try to and pull that one over on someone. But nice to see you don't feel the people in charge of this train wreck should have to live with it, too.