[Tuttyd]

Well you should be directing that to the people using that same lame excuse defending Treyvon excusing him for assaulting Zimmerman...and at the same time claiming Zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself from an attacker.

Somethng that appears to be Unique to the USA...is Blacks never believe they are responsible for anything, its always someone elses fault...and when they get caught they automatically claim they are being picked on because they are Black...even when they are caught with a bloody knife in their hand standing over the victim.

Personally....I don't give a hoot what the color of someone that robs a bank is.....they all deserve jail.....on the street dealing crack...same deal.....rapist....the same....carjacker...the same.

I know very little about the case you are referring to. I have not made any comment about it.

This is not what I am talking about I am talking about a comparison you made in an earlier post. What I am pointing out is the irrelevant association you make. The qualities of one thing are the inherent qualities of another.

[smoothy]

I know very little about the case you are referring to. I have not made any comment about it.

This is not what I am talking about I am talking about a comparison you made in an earlier post. What I am pointing out is the irrelevant association you make. The qualities of of one thing are the inherent qualities of another.

See... thats where you are wrong... the Black community here in the USA actually teach their kids everything is because of something that happened here well over 160 years ago... (but is still common in Africa today). And that no matter what they get caught doing... its because they are being profiled. Not because they are breaking the law.

And its certainly not genetic... its part of their chosen culture. THEY created. And that makes them responsible for it.

And it was a fairly recent creation... personal responsibility, Ethical behavior and a strong family is something they once had but started abandoning a few decades ago... by their own choice. Some still have it but they are now a minority in a minority. The other ethnic groups (whites included) also suffer from much of this too... only in lower percentages.

[speechlesstx]

Or could this be another example of bad implementation (taking pensions from retirees) of a good idea (filing for bankruptcy for a cash strapped city that's lost more than half of it's population and tax base.)?

Are you against pensioners and retirees? Or am I making that up?

You miss the point, what the hell does the president's honor have to do with a solution?

[talaniman]

The judge is referring to the managed bankruptcy the auto makers went through.

[cdad]

Or could this be another example of bad implementation (taking pensions from retirees) of a good idea (filing for bankruptcy for a cash strapped city that's lost more than half of it's population and tax base.)?

Are you against pensioners and retirees? Or am I making that up?

Yeah your making it up. In life there are choices. Some good and some bad and some that come back around to bite you. They voted for everything under the sun thinking the money tree would keep growing and voted for democrat control for the last 40 years. They are getting what they wanted. It is exactly what they have been asking for.

Obama: I "refused to let Detroit go bankrupt" - CBS News

[speechlesstx]

The judge is referring to the managed bankruptcy the auto makers went thru.

"It’s also not honoring the (United States) president." I can't think of a more irrelevant bit of logic in making legal decisions.

[tomder55]

The real problem is the long history of Detroit being ruled by socialist Dems like Coleman Young and other "MFICs"

[talaniman]

Privatizing the city assets is what Snyder wants. That's always what republicans want. Pay 10cents on the dollar for some land ready to be developed. You have already tried that trick with federal land to oil companies, privatizing the social safety net, and education, and outsourcing prisons.

[speechlesstx]

Privatizing the city assets is what Snyder wants. That's always what republicans want. Pay 10cents on the dollar for some land ready to be developed. You have already tried that trick with federal land to oil companies, privatizing the social safety net, and education, and outsourcing prisons.

So what's your solution?

[speechlesstx]

the real problem is the long history of Detroit being ruled by socialist Dems like Coleman Young and other "MFICs"

Melissa 'your children don't belong to you' Harris-Perry disagrees. And I am not making this up...

We can talk about the microstory of Detroit, but it seems to me that Detroit, as always, is standing for all kinds of things about America. In the case of Detroit, the reason that the tax base has become so small is because a loss of population, right? So folks out, they are not there to pay the taxes on the homes and the kind of deterioration is what you see in the numbers you’ve suggested. But this lack of tax base is also exactly the kind of thing that many Republicans would impose on us, even when our cities have sufficient populations, even when our communities have sufficient populations., This is what it looks like when government is small enough to drown in your bathtub, and it is not a pretty picture .

I have no words.

[tomder55]

Privatizing the city assets is what Snyder wants. That's always what republicans want. Pay 10cents on the dollar for some land ready to be developed. You have already tried that trick with federal land to oil companies, privatizing the social safety net, and education, and outsourcing prisons.

The city is begging for some innovative solutions like Jack Kemp style enterprise zones. But the Dems running the city and their union masters would never permit it.

[talaniman]

The auto unions took cut, so did teachers in Wisconsin. So will the retired civil workers, but they won't be cut out completely like Snyder wants. Rebuild through this transition from one revenue manufacturing stream to a diverse multiple stream set up should be a cooperative effort of state/local/and federal planning and investment, not just a giveaway to rich guys.

[paraclete]

What this demonstrates is that pension schemes should be funded so that no long term liability exists

[tomder55]

The auto unions took cut, so did teachers in Wisconsin. So will the retired civil workers, but they won't be cut out completely like Snyder wants. Rebuild thru this transition from one revenue manufacturing stream to a diverse multiple stream set up should be a cooperative effort of state/local/and federal planning and investment, not just a giveaway to rich guys.

They will have no choice but to do what the court says... there are some complications because of state and local laws... but not sure how much of a factor that will be when a judge is hearing a bankruptcy case .
http://www.freep.com/article/2013071...constitutional
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE

Best guess is that Judge Rosemary Aquilina will try to used this decision to leverage her prospects for opportunities in the imperial administration .

More likely ,the emperor will intercede and impose an unconstitutional fix like he did to the auto industry.

[talaniman]

Aquilina issued a declaratory judgment that says the bankruptcy filing violated the Michigan Constitution.

“In order to rectify his unauthorized and unconstitutional actions... the Governor must (1) direct the Emergency Manager to immediately withdraw the Chapter 9 petition filed on July 18, and (2) not authorize any further Chapter 9 filing which threatens to diminish or impair accrued pension benefits,” she said in her order.

Raiding the pension fund is his goal, and who rolls over for that tactic? Lets rename Snyder Govenor Corporate Raider and he is using the same tactic that he used to hide and pass an abortion bill. Dictate instead of negotiate? And being sneaky too?

the emperor will intercede and impose an unconstitutional fix like he did to the auto industry.

Show me that ruling. We both know you cannot. And never mind that it worked.

[talaniman]

So what's your solution?

If we can rebuild Europe, we can rebuild Detroit. DUH!!

[speechlesstx]

If we can rebuild Europe, we can rebuild Detroit. DUH!!!!!!!

I believe that's what he's trying to do, but your answer is more of what got them there.

[talaniman]

I believe that's what he's trying to do, but your answer is more of what got them there.

We saved the auto industry, banks, and Wall Street, and we can't save Detroit? Dude!

[cdad]

We saved the auto industry, banks, and Wall Street, and we can't save Detroit? Dude!

Actually the auto industry isn't done yet. The gobermint still owns 30% of the stock and it still hasn't turned around to where it was before. The banks scheme was to make the rich richer and money wasn't spent as intended when it was approved. Wall Street? What a joke its barely hanging by a thread and proped up by govrnment money making obaas friends rich while the people starve. Great job indeed.

[speechlesstx]

Actually the auto industry isnt done yet. The gobermint still owns 30% of the stock and it still hasnt turned around to where it was before. The banks scheme was to make the rich richer and money wasnt spent as intended when it was approved. Wall Street? What a joke its barely hanging by a thread and proped up by govrnment money making obaas friends rich while the people starve. Great job indeed.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm not) but isn't that exactly what Tal rails against on a daily basis, making the rich richer while the people starve?