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 Originally Posted by excon
As for your NFL "threat" you once again have it backwards. Republicans are not in control of anything and it is your beloved Obama administration that's become famous for their heavy hand toward businesses that don't toe the line, so coal industry for starters. From your "threat" :
"We have long been concerned by the Obama Administration’s record of using the threat of policy retaliation to solicit support for its policies or to silence its critics. Should the administration or its allies suggest that there will be any policy consequence for your decision not to participate in their outreach efforts, we urge you to resist any such pressure and to contact us immediately so that we may conduct appropriate oversight."
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Not to worry. Reid's do nothing Senate will not take up the bill even as newly converted Tea Party member James Hoffa Jr . Demands that Congress do something about the disastrous Obamacare bill they passed .
In case you haven't read it or posted it yet... here is Hoffa's letter to Reid and Madame Mimi (this may explain why some Dems signed on to the bill the House passed )
Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:
When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class. Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us. Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week's huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties. Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios: First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees' work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits. Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans. And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won't receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they'll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies. On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans. We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow. We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions. We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made. James P. Hoffa General President International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joseph Hansen International President UFCW D. Taylor President UNITE-HERE |
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Hello again,
You righty's have NO credibility on Obamacare... You LIED about it from the beginning, and you're LYING about it now. I wouldn't believe ANYTHING you have to say about it if your tongue came notarized. (I stole that from Judge Judy.) It's coming out in 46 days. It'll be slick. excon |
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And yet all our warnings are coming true. Hoffa sounds like one of them tri-cornered hat wearing SOBs (his words ) now that he got to read the bill Madame Mimi said would have to be passed to find out what's in it.
You in particular should be proud of it because it fit into the plan I heard from many people ,including my own REP Eliot Engle ,who said the goal is complete government control ,top down European single payer system. Well Obamacare will lead to that indeed . I don't know why the emperor defends it like he did today for anything else but what it is meant to accomplish . Well done!! The American healthcare system had to be utterly destroyed for the plan to work and he's well on the way of achieving that goal. |
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LOL, always cracks me up when the "we have to pass it know what's in it" side accuses others of lying about Obamacare.
If anything, the number of unions complaining that this is not what they were promised and the number of companies not hiring or cutting hours reveals who is lying and who's being vindicated. |
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This is more of a non issue than free contraceptives. Union scale workers are not to be confused with retail and fat food union workers or ones with no union. The unions are ready to work on what's best for them and their members, and so is the white house, unlike the right who holler train wreck.
Never mind the good stuff already, or the projection of saving in the larger urban areas, or the rebates that are going out to policy holders, or the tax deductions for buying your own non employee insurance. You guys just have a lot of noise and no do for something that's important to many, even yourselves. You just refuse to make simple common sense adjustments along the way to keep things working smoothly. |
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Never mind the good stuff already, or the projection of saving in the larger urban areas, or the rebates that are going out to policy holders, or the tax deductions for buying your own non employee insurance. You guys just have a lot of noise and no do for something that's important to many, even yourselves.
So of course the NY Slimes holds this up as an example that the system works.. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...=politics&_r=0 Well yeah ,we are going from one soviet style system to another . 1 these rates ONLY effect those who purchase insurance on their own... (about 17 thousand 1 %ers statewide who could actually afford it in NY ) . So the adjustment will make individual insurance less expensive for those who can afford it while laying down massive increases on the rest of us who don't qualify for subsidies . Thanks a lot !
LOL, always cracks me up when the "we have to pass it know what's in it"
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If you had made simple common sense adjustments instead of ramming this down our throats against overwhelming opposition we wouldn't be here constantly reporting on how ed up your law is and the admin would be boasting non-stop of how awesome it is instead of delaying his "train wreck" and assuring us they're "on schedule."
From the department of lowered Obamacare expectations: This video. |
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In other words, to you reporting the facts and repeating what admin officials have said is deceptive (if it doesn't fit your narrative). From my last link:
Large employers have struggled to adapt to Obamacare provisions and are cutting hours, and insurance experts worry it will create friction between employers and employees, WMDT reports:
By 2015, employers with at least 50 full-time, 30-hour employees will be required to provide health insurance or pay a hefty $3,000 fine for each uninsured employee. Insurance experts worry it could create some friction between the employer and employee. “We’ve seen employers starting to cut down hours to 28, 25 hours such that they will not be subject to penalty for that employee,” Keen said. That’s exactly what Katie Frantz says has happened to her. “The job that I currently have is part-time. And they don’t want to let me be full-time because they don’t want to pay me benefits. And I don’t even need the benefits because I have it through my husband. It’s just very annoying,” she said. Some employers have discovered they would be better off financially paying the penalty rather than providing insurance. |
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Can small businesses use the ACA's health insurance exchanges?
Yes, there will be a health insurance exchange for small businesses, called the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP).
A small business is defined in the law as having between one and 100 employees, though the exchanges may start at one to 50 employees, depending on the state. States can also choose to combine their individual and small business exchanges to create a bigger pool, spreading the risk to more people and reducing premiums. Small businesses will also get help paying the premiums for covering their employees through a new tax credit. - See more at: Can small businesses use the ACA's health insurance exchanges? Health Care Reform: 11 Business Opportunities & Ways to Profit | Inc.com ACA is saving money on health care that small businesses can use for hiring | MedCity News |
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