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    Jul 15, 2013, 08:43 PM
    20 years in prison for firing a warning shot to get rid of an abuser isn't standing your ground, but shooting and killing someone is? Same prosecutor I may add as the Martin case.

    Alexander's father, Raoul Jenkins, told Crimesider that his daughter had had a licensed gun for years and the two had been to the shooting range together.

    "If Marissa wanted to shoot anybody she could," Jenkins says. "But that was not her intent. Her intent was to diffuse the situation without anyone getting hurt or killed."
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    #262

    Jul 16, 2013, 03:09 AM
    Angela Corey is a moron who should be disbarred . She had the option of a number of lesser charges ;but decided to vindictively play hardball against Alexander because she refused a plea deal. She prosecuted Zimmerman on strictly political considerations ;bypassed the Grand Jury process ;and went with charges that were almost impossible to prove.

    Neither case was/is a stand your ground case. It is absurd to sentence Alexander for 20 years ;but that is a result of silly mandatory sentencing guidelines.

    The fact that she could've left is not relevant in my view because the testimony was unclear if she could've left through the garage(which Gray claimed was locked ). So she had to reenter the house to "escape through the back door " . So the real question is to what extent did she feel threatened by Gray ? She had to force her way out of the bathroom just to retrieve her gun. The unallowed evidence was Gray's history of women abuse. This was not a clear cut case by any means . It's he said /she said.
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    #263

    Jul 16, 2013, 04:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    20 years in prison for firing a warning shot to get rid of an abuser isn't standing your ground, but shooting and killing someone is? Same prosecutor I may add as the Martin case.
    So your saying that since she didn't know what the law was or how to handle herself with a firearm then she deserves a pass? I understand she passed on a plea bargin that would have been much less. The fact that she fired the gun is what lead to her troubles without using it to hit her intended target. Sure 20 years is harsh. But this is something this person created.
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    #264

    Jul 16, 2013, 05:33 AM
    Still wondering where the national outrage is over a black kid shooting a 13 month old white baby.
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    Jul 16, 2013, 05:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Still wondering where the national outrage is over a black kid shooting a 13 month old white baby.
    If it doesn't interest Al Sharpton there will be no "outrage " .
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    Jul 16, 2013, 06:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if it doesn't interest Al Sharpton there will be no "outrage " .
    Black on black or black on white violence doesn't give anyone the opportunity to tweet things like this:
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    Jul 16, 2013, 06:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cdad View Post
    So your saying that since she didn't know what the law was or how to handle herself with a firearm then she deserves a pass? I understand she passed on a plea bargin that would have been much less. The fact that she fired the gun is what lead to her troubles without using it to hit her intended target. Sure 20 years is harsh. But this is something this person created.
    She did know what the law was but the judge denied immunity, she did know how to use a firearm, and chose a warning shot rather than injury or death, the intent was clear get him to leave, rather than kill. How is killing someone after losing the fight any different from warning off an abuser bent on beating your ? Had Zimmerman stayed in his car and waited for the cops we wouldn't be here so how is that killing not of his making?

    The law is written to expand where you can kill a person beyond your own home and opens up for shoot first, think later, and the standards for reasonable fear of life is arbitrary, and undefined.
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    #268

    Jul 16, 2013, 06:51 AM
    Or this:
    Female jogger killed by Amtrak train near White Rock - British Columbia - CBC News

    Trains have been killing white people for ages now - where's the outrage!
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    #269

    Jul 16, 2013, 06:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Or this:
    Female jogger killed by Amtrak train near White Rock - British Columbia - CBC News

    Trains have been killing white people for ages now - where's the outrage!?
    Has there been some brewing outrage over racist white or "white Hispanic" trains murdering black people?
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    #270

    Jul 16, 2013, 07:28 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    She did know what the law was but the judge denied immunity, she did know how to use a firearm, and chose a warning shot rather than injury or death, the intent was clear get him to leave, rather than kill. How is killing someone after losing the fight any different from warning off an abuser bent on beating your ? Had Zimmerman stayed in his car and waited for the cops we wouldn't be here so how is that killing not of his making?

    The law is written to expand where you can kill a person beyond your own home and opens up for shoot first, think later, and the standards for reasonable fear of life is arbitrary, and undefined.
    These cases are not related and comparing them is a stretch. The only common denominator is the idiot prosecutor . Anyone who thinks she isn't an incompetent political opportunist has not examined her history. Alan Dershewitz has been all over her case for months now.
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    #271

    Jul 16, 2013, 07:31 AM
    Has there been some brewing outrage over racist white or "white Hispanic" trains murdering black people?
    Irrelevant.
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    #272

    Jul 16, 2013, 07:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Irrelevant.
    Yep, just like your stupid question.
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    #273

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:23 AM
    Yep, just like your stupid question.
    "Margaret Thatcher used to say, ' I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.." ."(Sarah Palin)
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    #274

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    "Margaret Thatcher used to say, ' I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.." ."(Sarah Palin)
    You always brighten my day, too.
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    #275

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:42 AM
    Where did I attack you personally?
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    #276

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:46 AM
    Treyvon got everything he deserved. And the world is a little bit better as a result.
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    #277

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Where did I attack you personally?
    Just grow up, dude.
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    #278

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:48 AM
    See? You get caught up in your own lies all the time.
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    #279

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:49 AM
    George Zimmerman: It Was God's Plan For Me To Kill Trayvon Martin

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=494275467323007
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    #280

    Jul 16, 2013, 08:55 AM
    You think it was GIA the Earth Mothers plan?

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