[paraclete]

Certain groups have a vested interest in maintaining their victim mindset.

I don't run around calling myself an Irish-German-American...or even a Caucasian-american I'm simply an American.

I think its a load of crap..and always have.

Well we agree on that, tell me do you ask some one over there whether they are a citizen before defining them as an american or is citizenship assumed?

[Tuttyd]

there was no such thing as a 'White Hispanic ' here until the left tried to make this case about race.

This is where it gets a bit tricky. Hispanic would refer to a cultural group. So I guess in theory you could have a Caucasian Hispanic, just as it would be possible in theory to have a Negroid Hispanic.

[smoothy]

That's fine. I am sure that some African Americans choose to be an American first. But the point I am making is that one can choose to belong or not to belong to an ethnic group. One cannot choose to belong or not to belong to a racial group. By this I mean that one cannot change their physical characteristics.

99.99% of the people calling themselves haven't had an actual tie with Africa in 5 or more generations.

The only ones that do... were born in Africa and immigrated.. If your parents were born in America... you are American.. not African-American

I have more of a right to be hyphenated then they do... I'm only the second generation in my family tree born here on US soil.and that only goes back to post WW1.

[tomder55]

This is where it gets a bit tricky. Hispanic would refer to a cultural group. So I guess in theory you could have a Caucasian Hispanic, just as it would be possible in theory to have a Negroid Hispanic.

yes you could .but that is hardly the point. Again ,the distinction is an artificial one that no one had heard of until race was injected into this case.

[Tuttyd]

99.99% of the people calling themselves haven had a tie with Africa in 5 or more generations

In what way is this relevant to a persons racial ancestry? I would say that is is of no relevance.

[Tuttyd]

yes you could .but that is hardly the point. Again ,the distinction is an artificial one that no one had heard of until race was injected into this case.

You would have to fill me in on the details. Without knowing the details I assume you are saying that race was needlessly injected into this particular case.

[smoothy]

In what way is this relevant to a persons racial ancestry? I would say that is is of no relevance.

If they are going to call themselves something they aren't... then it does.

Its like a huge chunk of Australia... calling themselves British-Australians. Because at some point in their past their family tree was in the UK.

Because unless you are a full blooded American Indian, or are Inuit. you have an ancestry that is OTHER than American.

And even they migrated to this continent if you look back far enough in time. If you believe the archeologists... we are all Africans.

[Tuttyd]

If they are going to call themselves something they aren't...then it does.

Its like a huge chunk of Australia...calling themselves British-Australians. Because at some point in their past their family tree was in the UK.

Because unless you are a full blooded American Indian, or are Inuit.,you have an ancestry that is OTHER than American.

And even they migrated to this continent if you look back far enough in time. If you believe the archeologists....we are all Africans.

Before I address any more issues you need to understand that "blood" has nothing to do with human physical genetics. It is an archaic and debunked concept. In the past it was used as an excuse for discrimination.

[tomder55]

You would have to fill me in on the details. Without knowing the details I assume you are saying that race was needlessly injected into this particular case.

Urban Dictionary nails it :
White Hispanic

If a brown looking hispanic has a white last name or a white looking person a hispanic last name they become a "white hispanic". This makes it easier to compartmentalize a stereotype.

George Zimmerman has a white father and a hispanic mother therefore he is a "White Hispanic". Even though he looks more hispanic his last name is white and it becomes more polarizing to play up his whiteness.

Urban Dictionary: white hispanic

[paraclete]

If they are going to call themselves something they aren't...then it does.

Its like a huge chunk of Australia...calling themselves British-Australians. Because at some point in their past their family tree was in the UK.

Because unless you are a full blooded American Indian, or are Inuit.,you have an ancestry that is OTHER than American.

And even they migrated to this continent if you look back far enough in time. If you believe the archeologists....we are all Africans.

I know of no one who calls themselves British Australians, once we were both British and Australian but we no longer have dual nationality, as a 5th generation Australian of Irish ancestry I am an Australian and can trace my history in this national back further than most indigenous (1822). To be British in this nation is not a plus, and I don't necessarily believe the anthropologists, some of us might be African but some of us might be neanderthal, the white gene came from somewhere

[smoothy]

I know of no one who calls themselves British Australians, once we were both British and Australian but we no longer have dual nationality, as a 5th generation Australian of Irish ancestory I am an Australian and can trace my history in this national back futher than most indigenous (1822). To be British in this nation is not a plus, and I don't necessarily believe the anthropologists, some of us might be African but some of us might be neanderthal, the white gene came from somewhere

Exactly... and like I said... the groups that whine the most about past segregation... are the same so intent on segregating themselves from the rest of us today.

[smoothy]

Before I address any more issues you need to understand that "blood" has nothing to do with human physical genetics. It is an archaic and debunked concept. In the past it was used as an excuse for discrimination.

And I would venture a guess... very, very few black American that can trace ancestry back to when slavery was practiced... have a purely African genetic lineage. Meaning there is at least one non-black in their family tree.

And something you might not know not being from around here... Blacks are seriously prejudiced among themselves... THe lighter skinned ones look down on the darker skinned ones... and they ALL look down on the recent actual African immigrants.

They also aren't very fond of Asians... or Latinos in general... we actually have Black political figures making racial slurs against them fairly frequently on camera here in DC.

Yes there are a lot of exceptions to that... and I've personally known and worked with some of them.

[paraclete]

And I would venture a guess.....very, very few black American that can trace ancestory back to when slavery was practiced...have a purely African genetic lineage. Meaning there is at least one non-black in their family tree.

And something you might not know not being from around here....Blacks are seriously prejudiced among themselves.....THe lighter skinned ones look down on the darker skinned ones....and they ALL look down on the recent actual African immigrants.

They also aren't very fond of Asians...or Latinos in general....we actually have Black political figures making racial slurs against them fairly frequently on camera here in DC.

Yes there are a lot of exceptions to that...and I've personally known and worked with some of them.

I think we understand black. Around here blacks of mixed blood are called creamys by full blooded aboriginees and are looked down upon. It is from these people who have little affinity to "country" that we find a lot of community in fighting and generally troublesome behaviour. I have a number of aboriginal friends and have generally found them okay but of course these are those who have found a place in the community. There is a possible racial tie with our blacks and indians but we have few africian immigrants mainly somaliis

[excon]

Hello again,

Is the fear/expectation that black people will RIOT, be the SAME profile that spurred Zimmerman to follow Trayvon in the first place?

excon

[speechlesstx]

why don't you forget all this descriptive crap and say what you mean, black, white ,coloured or is race a forbiden subject?why would you want to define various white people such as italian, or irish seperate from the general population? I'm glad we don't have any african australians it would be difficult to know how they differ from aboriginal australians since both are coloured to one degree or another but then we have indians as well and they range from white to black

I don't know why we have to discuss race anyway, but if you haven't followed it's been intentional to describe Zimmerman as a "white" Hispanic killing a black teen.

[talaniman]

No it hasn't, it's been a guy with a gun who assumed a teen was up to no good. Because he was black? Well that's what Zimmerman had done before, called the cop on black teens, but they got away. This one didn't.

[tomder55]

This case has always sucked . Martin walked too close to homes , in a community that had enough break ins that the community decided to create a community watch. He was not walking on the walk ways because of the weather . He was acting reasonably ,and Zimmerman reasonably assumed he was up to no good .

What I can't get over is the fact that Martin had plenty of time to make it to his father's home . Instead HE CHOSE to confront Zimmerman . That is an undisputable fact from the testimony of the trial . It was Martin's choice to engage. He got the jump on Zimmerman... again... undisputed testimony from the trial .

Martin's only wounds beyond the bullet shot was evidence that his fist was pounding Zimmerman . Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations to his head... which leads to a reasonable assumption that he though his life was in danger.

Nothing else in this case is relevant .

[talaniman]

We only have one account of events, so there is much we don't know that may be relevant, like not leading a scary stranger who is following you to your home. Sorry I can't buy a guy who has lived in his community for 4 years and not know which of the 3 streets he is on, so instead of driving he gets out and walks in the direction his suspect is going. I guess he was the only watch person too since he made no calls to anyone else but the cops. Matter of fact there were no other NW people ever.

Or is this the good guy with a gun getting the bad guy type of thing? Why does race matter? Because prejudice is at the bottom of what motivated this tragedy.

[tomder55]

Why does race matter? Because prejudice is at the bottom of what motivated this tragedy.

And that is Your unproven assumption .

[talaniman]

Not at all his initial phone call to the police proves he assumed a black teen to be suspicious confirms he didn't know this youth belonged where he was and was minding his own business.