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    #301

    Jul 10, 2013, 08:19 AM
    I want to get back to the unconstitutional decision by the emperor to "suspend " implementation of the employer mandate . The President has no such authority under the constitution.
    Article II Sec 3 is clear that the President shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. It gives him certain disgression on how to execute the laws ;but NONE to unilaterally decide to delay implementation if implementation is outlined in the law. Kings have the power to over rule Parliments in some phony systems . English kings used to pull that stunt now and again until the Glorious Revolution of 1688. Then the Brits did this thing called a Bill of Rights . The 1st thing it addressed was the powers of the executive (monarch)... "the pretended power of suspending of laws, or the execution of laws, by regal authority, without consent of parliament, is illegal."

    Fast forward to Nixon. He tried this gambit of not spending money Congress had allocate. The courts shot it down. Then in 1998 Congress decided that they would grant the President the power to line-item veto. But SCOTUS knocked that down (Clinton v City of New York) . Writing for the majority ,Justice John Paul Stevens wrote : "There is no provision in the Constitution that authorizes the president to enact, to amend, or to repeal statutes."

    So where does the emperor get the cahones ?

    This isn't the 1st time he pulled this stunt . He unilaterally decided to suspend deportations after the Dream Act was defeated (he called it prosecutorial discretion). He recrafted NCLB in his own image (he said he had the authority based on allowable waivers of requirements in the statute that did not exist) .

    Edit... whether you agree with the move or not... (I think the employer mandate ;like the rest of the law ,should be repealed ). It is not his place to make that call.
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    #302

    Jul 10, 2013, 08:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You know the answer is simple, stop all this loading for smokers and age etc and just make one premium for everyone, the young will eventually get the benefits they are paying for and the smokers will die out anyway
    That's just too simple for a righty to understand and an insurance company who wants MO MONEY, not steady money will never go along with it.
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    #303

    Jul 10, 2013, 08:44 AM
    I guess you would like to pay higher rates for insurance even though you eat right.. take care of yourself and exercise... so the drunk, chain smoking 300 lb... meth head down the street can get lower rates on his?
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    Jul 10, 2013, 09:03 AM
    If everyone pays the same rate, then when they raise yours, they raise his too. Your assumption that they give him a discount and not you I preposterous.
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    #305

    Jul 10, 2013, 09:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    If everyone pays the same rate, then when they raise yours, they raise his too. Your assumption that they give him a discount and not you I preposterous.

    YOU will be paying more... to subsidize his bad behaviour...

    You do know how risk management works... Banks use it to determine credit worthiness... Insurance companies use it so responsible people don't have to pay for the irresponsible people.

    Businesses use it when the hire people... and roll out products every day... the world revolves around about putting value on the safe choices and putting a cost on the unsafe choices.
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    #306

    Jul 10, 2013, 09:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    So where does the emperor get the cahones ?

    This isn't the 1st time he pulled this stunt . He unilaterally decided to suspend deportations after the Dream Act was defeated (he called it prosecutorial discretion). He recrafted NCLB in his own image (he said he had the authority based on allowable waivers of requirements in the statute that did not exist) .

    Edit... whether you agree with the move or not... (I think the employer mandate ;like the rest of the law ,should be repealed ). It is not his place to make that call.
    Sen Ted Cruz' dad had some words on that...

    I grew up in Cuba under a strong military, oppressive dictatorship. So as a teenager I found myself involved in a revolution. I remember during that time a young charismatic leader rose up talking about hope and change. His name was Fidel Castro. And, you know, we all followed him. We all we thought he was going to be our liberator. As a result of being involved in the revolution, I was imprisoned, I was tortured, but by the grace of God I was able to leave Cuba on a student visa and came to the greatest country on the face of the earth.

    ...

    I think the most ominous words I've ever heard was in the last two State of the Union addresses when our president said, "If Congress does not act, I will act unilaterally." Not much different than that that old bearded friend that I left behind in Cuba, governing by degree, by executive order, just like a dictator like Fidel Castro.
    The speech:

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    #307

    Jul 10, 2013, 09:48 AM
    If Obama makes those calls isn't it legal for him to do so? If it were not then he would be summoned wouldn't he?
    That guy's "speech" seems to be low on facts and high on echo-chamber cheering.
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    #308

    Jul 10, 2013, 09:57 AM
    That guy has earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants.

    So as a teenager I found myself involved in a revolution. I remember during that time a young charismatic leader rose up talking about hope and change. His name was Fidel Castro. And, you know, we all followed him. We all we thought he was going to be our liberator. As a result of being involved in the revolution, I was imprisoned, I was tortured, but by the grace of God I was able to leave Cuba on a student visa and came to the greatest country on the face of the earth.
    And no, Obama does not have the right to act unilaterally on whatever the hell he wants.
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    #309

    Jul 10, 2013, 10:09 AM
    Obama does not have the right to act unilaterally on whatever the hell he wants
    There must be checks and balances for that if it isn't legal. Why aren't the WH conservatives doing anything about it?
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    Jul 10, 2013, 10:18 AM
    Bush lied, people died, when does the WH do anything about the wrongs. We sit back and get wronged constantly. It's the only consistent thing about gov. They are working into each others hands 1 plot =2 systems striving toward 1 outcome.
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    #311

    Jul 10, 2013, 10:22 AM
    BS... Bush had the same intelligence briefings everyone in congress got and agreed with...

    He didn't write them.. he only got them first... its obvious the people that pushed that story know little about how things work in the government. Yet they pretend otherwise.

    Now However... Benghazi... Lies WERE drafted by the White house... and pushed on the American people and the world.
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    #312

    Jul 10, 2013, 10:23 AM
    Someone with "standing " (see the SCOTUS decision on the Cal Prop 8 case) needs to challenge the emperor in court . It's a sure thing that the Holder Justice Dept won't stop him. The most likely people with standing would be the Congressional Dems.. Well they isn't going to challenge their master either . The House Repubics could conceivably challenge him with an impeachment charge . But even if they got that past the House ,the Senate would never convict . So we are left with little options regarding the unconstitutional acts of this
    Imperator .
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    #313

    Jul 10, 2013, 10:28 AM
    Wow, he's so awful yet Clinton gets a hearing for a blowjob. Methinks you rightys are blowing smoke.
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    Jul 10, 2013, 10:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    BS...Bush had the same intelligence briefings everyone in congress got and agreed with....

    He didn't write them..he only got them first....its obvious the people that pushed that story know little about how things work in the government. Yet they pretend otherwise.

    Now However...Benghazi...Lies WERE drafted by the White house....and pushed on the American people and the world.
    My point is that is the way it is DEM OR REP. The system is 1 but an illusion of 2 party to get the Americans arguing over what they are going to do regardless of which party is IN office at any given time..
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    Jul 10, 2013, 10:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    My point is that is the way it is DEM OR REP. The system is 1 but an illusion of 2 party to get the Americans arguing over what they are going to do regardless of which party is IN office at any given time..
    Thanks for clarifying that... seemed like the intent was different than that.

    After hearing that line about 153,000,000 times... one tends to automatically think... oh crap not this again.
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    #316

    Jul 10, 2013, 10:33 AM
    Kind of like this:

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    Jul 10, 2013, 10:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Wow, he's so awful yet Clinton gets a hearing for a blowjob. Methinks you rightys are blowing smoke.
    I think that Clintoon deserved impeachment.. they went after him for perjury and suborning perjury... which are serious crimes in the real world.. not for bjs .

    But they should've gone after him for selling military secrets to the Chinese for campaign contributions.
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    #318

    Jul 11, 2013, 02:22 PM
    Yet another union has lost its love for Obamcare...

    The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) released a white paper on Thursday warning that Obamacare, as the law is commonly known, “threatens to harm our members by dismantling multiemployer health plans.”

    The union also took out a full-page ad in Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call calling on the president to “keep your promise” by ensuring that, in the president’s words, “if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” …

    According to the union’s white paper, “the current multiemployer plan system provides affordable, high-quality health care coverage to millions of American workers, retirees, and families.”

    New fees in the law, regulations on minimum-benefit requirements, and “the lack of multiemployer-specific administrative guidance” are threatening those insurance plans, IBEW claims.

    “Because it does not recognize the unique nature of multiemployer plans, the Affordable Care Act contains provisions that could undermine this American success story and reduce the number of working families covered and lower the quality of their care,” the Roll Call ad warns.
    They didn't really buy that promise thing did they?
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    #319

    Jul 15, 2013, 07:44 AM
    Kalifornia is jumping to be the poster child for Obamacare and spending millions to promote it, using kids to sell it to their parents. Should be smooth sailing...

    Fraud fear raised in California's health exchange - The Reporter

    SACRAMENTO (AP) -- As California prepares to launch its health care exchange, consumer groups are worried the uninsured could fall RI victim to fraud, identity theft or other crimes at the hands of some of the very people who are supposed to help them enroll.

    The exchange, known as Covered California, recently adopted rules for a network of more than 21,000 enrollment counselors who will provide consumers with in-person assistance as part of the federal Affordable Care Act. In some cases, they will have access to personal and financial information, from ID cards to medical histories.

    But the state insurance commissioner and anti-fraud groups say the exchange is falling short in ensuring that the people hired as counselors are adequately screened and monitored.

    Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones also said the exchange does not have a plan for investigating any complaints that might arise once the counselors start work. That means consumers who might fall prey to bogus health care products, identity theft and other abuses will have a hard time seeking justice if unscrupulous counselors get hold of their Social Security number, bank accounts, health records or other private information, he said."We can have a real disaster on our hands," Jones, a Democrat, said in an interview.

    ...

    "Once they're in that position of trust, it's possible they will obtain information that will allow them to build the trust they have with the individual they're working with and potentially sell them all manner of bogus products, steal their identity, gain access to certain assets they might have," Jones said. "The list is virtually endless."
    But they'll have to wear name badges. What could go wrong?
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    #320

    Jul 15, 2013, 08:29 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    What's wrong with using the public to smooth the way for a big change in the law?? Nothing, that's what...

    But, if you want to see something WRONG, it's YOUR side for threatening the NFL for agreeing to smooth the way...

    Look, if you don't like the law, try to repeal it for the 45th time, and good luck with that. It's the law of the land... Get over it.

    excon

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