[speechlesstx]

How many train wrecks have you warned us about that did not come to fruition? See: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

I've read Aesop's Fables, and you apparently can't distinguish between a bored kid trying to amuse himself and reporting the facts. See tom's last post for one.

[NeedKarma]

You so totally missed the moral of the story.

[smoothy]

I don't even know what that is, I don't think it's a real thing.

Doesn't matter what you believe or not... fact is you are manipulated to believe Socialism works. Reality is... its failed everywhere. And Socialized medicine is no different... if sucks everywhere compaired to a system you can get anything you want as long as you pay for it.

Because controlling costs by restricting needed services through rationing... always screws the people who need it the most.

[NeedKarma]

Ok, enjoy your system... as reported by the American Pravda (right-wing blogs).

[speechlesstx]

You so totally missed the moral of the story.

You so totally missed the point.

[NeedKarma]

Keep reporting possible train wrecks ad nauseum, I'm sure the odd one will turn out to be true. Don't be surprised if people start to tune you out though.

[speechlesstx]

Keep reporting possible train wrecks ad nauseum, I'm sure the odd one will turn out to be true. Don't be surprised if people start to tune you out though.

Like those "war on women" people or the sequester doomsday the wolf-crier-in-chief was preaching. Now there's some wolf crying for you, but you'd never try and hold them accountable would you?

[NeedKarma]

Like those "war on women" people

Yep.

[smoothy]

Ok, enjoy your system...as reported by the American Pravda (right-wing blogs).

I've been happy with it for over 52 years... I got anything I needed when I needed it... without ever once having to get on a waiting list. Including two surgeries.

[NeedKarma]

Same here. No paperwork either.

[smoothy]

Same here. No paperwork either.

Really... explain the waiting lists for rationing of certain procedures... like Hip replacements etc north of the border. One of the reasons Canadians are coming here and paying cash to have done... instead of having done in Canada.

[NeedKarma]

You hear of the exceptions and think it is the norm.
Your insurance companies ration and deny as a business model, it's no better.

[smoothy]

You hear of the exceptions and think it is the norm.
Your insurance companies ration and deny as a business model, it's no better.

Really... don't know of ANYONE whose insurance rations care... the worse ones might dictate where you go to get it... but not when... unless of course you are talking Organ transplants where everyone who needs one gets on the list..

My wife's got a bunch of Relatives in Montreal... (aunts, uncles.. cousins and their spouses).

[NeedKarma]

don't know of ANYONE whose insurance rations care

Well there are certainly a lot of questions in AMHD's Health and Wellness forums from Americans; barely any canucks in there asking questions... I guess they just go to their family doctor. :-)

[smoothy]

Well there are certainly a lot of questions in AMHD's Health and Wellness forums from Americans; barely any canucks in there asking questions ... I guess they just go to their family doctor. :-)

Most of them don't have electricity... live in Yurts and have no internet...

[talaniman]

Most of them work at Walmart and McDonald's.

[NeedKarma]

Most of them work at Walmart and McDonald's.

Actually he was trying to be funny to respond to my previous comment about how there aren't many canadians seeking medical help on this board.
Some people need to try to belittle others.

[tomder55]

Nahhh it's the Obots themselves who admit they are in over their heads on this foolishly destructive law .

The president brags about how he's bringing smart, 21st century technology to government. But the news surrounding that talk provides a showcase for how inept his administration is when it comes to IT.

'We've made huge swaths of your government more efficient and more transparent, and more accountable than ever before," President Obama claimed Monday.

But the very next day, AP reported that a "computer system problem" has caused his administration to delay yet another piece of ObamaCare for at least a year.

The delay stems from a conflict between the law's premium penalties for smokers and its restrictions on insurance rates. While ObamaCare forbids insurance companies from adjusting rates based on health status, it does let insurers impose a significant premium penalty on smokers.

At the same time, the law forbids insurance companies from charging older people more than three times what they charge younger people. The problem is that the premiums for an older smoker can end up more than three times that of a young smoker once you include the penalties.

Late last month, Obama's tech-savvy regulators quietly told insurance companies that they simply couldn't figure out how to get their computers to square the two.

"The system currently cannot process a premium for a 65-year-old smoker that is more than three times the premium of a 21-year-old smoker," it explained.

And a fix could take at least a year.

Meanwhile, the administration tacitly admitted last week that its promise of real-time verification of a consumer's eligibility to buy subsidized coverage at an ObamaCare exchange wasn't exactly panning out.

Under ObamaCare, only those who don't have access to "affordable" insurance at work can buy coverage in an exchange, and only those below certain income levels are eligible for tax subsidies.

Rather than a high-tech instant check, the administration told states they could simply take the applicants' word for it when it comes to their employer-provided coverage, as well as their "projected annual household income," without the need for "further verification."

The reason Obama's regulators gave: There's still "a large amount of systems development on both the federal and state side, which cannot occur in time for Oct. 1, 2013."

The Government Accountability Office had warned in June that the administration was behind schedule getting the ObamaCare data hub up and running.

The administration also admitted earlier this year that — even with a nearly four-year lead time — it would have to put off a key piece of the small-business exchanges that was supposed to let employees at small firms pick from a range of plans best suited to their needs. "Operational challenges" was the excuse given for this delay.

To be fair, states aren't doing much better when it comes to "smarter" government. The Washington Post reported last week that Connecticut will delay almost a third of the functions they'd planned for its insurance exchange Web portal. Oregon, Nevada and other states are also cutting back on their ObamaCare websites.

But the stakes are much higher at the federal level, particularly when protecting personal data is involved. Here, too, Obama's "smart" government falls short.

Public.Resource.org revealed this week that the IRS inadvertently exposed the Social Security numbers of as many as 100,000 taxpayers on a government website. The group described the IRS' data security efforts as "unprofessional and amateur."

These are the same sort of government bureaucrats, mind you, who'll be in charge of securing vast amounts of the far more sensitive data ObamaCare will collect on millions of Americans once it goes into effect.

President Obama's Promises Of Smarter Government Don't Pan Out - Investors.com

[paraclete]

You know the answer is simple, stop all this loading for smokers and age etc and just make one premium for everyone, the young will eventually get the benefits they are paying for and the smokers will die out anyway

[speechlesstx]

You know the answer is simple, stop all this loading for smokers and age etc and just make one premium for everyone, the young will eventually get the benefits they are paying for and the smokers will die out anyway

First they have to kill the insurance companies.