[talaniman]

See that's where we disagree, both involve the killing of innocent humans, one with the blessing of the state.

And the other is the failure of the state.

[speechlesstx]

And the other is the failure of the state.

Uh no, the failure is in legalizing infanticide.

[JudyKayTee]

XXMan - this is totally plagerized, word for word: “In 1967, Mayor John V. Lindsay ...” http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fa...rk-city%60s.as

If you didn’t write it, please give credit to the person who did.

[cdad]

XXMan - this is totally plagerized, word for word: “In 1967, Mayor John V. Lindsay ...” http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fa...rk-city%60s.as

If you didn’t write it, please give credit to the person who did.

Link not working.

[xx-man]

XXMan - this is totally plagerized, word for word: “In 1967, Mayor John V. Lindsay ...” http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fa...rk-city%60s.as

If you didn’t write it, please give credit to the person who did.

I never claimed to have written it. It was taken from an NRA website. Someone asked to see it and I copy and pasted it... I should have just put the link up for it...

[talaniman]

Well that's certainly a credible source of unbiased information.

[JudyKayTee]

No comment about the NRA.

When something is not in quotes, it is presumed that you wrote it. I only noticed this because the "all legal guns are registered" answer was sent to me and, of course, that is not true.

[smoothy]

Oh certainly... all of mine aren't... and they were never required to be when I got them... and they are never going to be either.

[JudyKayTee]

You and I have one group of friends; xxman has another (apparently).

[speechlesstx]

Well that's certainly a credible source of unbiased information.

I would think that bias at the NRA is expected, that's what advocates do. Anyway, here is an operable link to the item.

[JudyKayTee]

Sorry - I didn't post the link because the quote was 100% accurate.

[speechlesstx]

No problem, just trying to help.

[xx-man]

I would think that bias at the NRA is expected, that's what advocates do. Anyway, here is an operable link to the item.

Thank you! I will save that link. And yes the NRA is bias... BUT... it is all factual... it does not fold under the scrutiny as does the restrictive gun lobby... anyway... If you wish to see how people really die in the us then check the cdc website Centers for Disease Control and Prevention... look at all the pieces of the puzzle and make your own conclusions... Thanks again and a nice weekend

[JudyKayTee]

No problem posting the link - I have no idea what Disease Control has to do with a thread on gun control.

[xx-man]

No problem posting the link - I have no idea what Disease Control has to do with a thread on gun control.

In my search for true facts... from both anti gun and the NRA... I searched where they get the numbers for all the deaths and injury caused by guns in general... it was strange that the number of shootings the anti gun lobby talk about include accidental shootings ( mostly law enforcement... due to the fact they load and unload their guns sometimes several time a day depending where the need to gain admittance to ) suicides and of course drug related incidents... the actual murder rate with a gun is statistical speaking very low... and extremely low with a so called assault rifle. BUT more people die each year from house hold accidents, accidental poisoning from household chemicals and / or car accidents ( should cars be manufactured that have the ability to break the speed limit laws ?) Unfortunately there is no place to obtain the number of times that having a firearm has saved some ones life... In my humble opinion it all comes down to mental health... crazy people do crazy things... and there's not much anyone can do after these disillusioned people act out against society... we can only try to see the warning signs a bit clearer... maybe look a bit closer... pay a little more attention to the people around us... offer help if we can... of course there are those that are not disillusioned... they are the criminal / violent / evil element strung throughout society... I think we should be allowed to protect ourselves from this type element... a wise man once said... a long long time ago... "Evil cannot be defeated by running from it"... Socrates

[JudyKayTee]

I think this has turned far afield - I also saw this: "“The rate of firearms deaths has exceeded traffic fatalities in several states, including Arizona, Colorado, the District of Columbia, Michigan, Nevada and Oregon, records show. The rate is equal in Ohio and Pennsylvania. In the United States in 2010, the rate of firearm deaths was 10 people per 100,000, while for traffic accidents it was 12 per 100,000. Firearm-related deaths totaled 31,672 in 2010.” http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/09/guns-traffic-deaths-rates/1784595/"

How many people drive cars? How many people have firearms? I'd like to see that "user/accident" ratio.

At any rate I have a carry permit for work. I'm not losing anything under any new law.

[cdad]

At any rate I have a carry permit for work. I'm not losing anything under any new law.

I think what you may lose is choice in some areas. As in the changes to NY law should you decide to carry a semiauto instead of a revolver then you are limited in capacity. Just like California has laws regarding capacity. With the type of work that you do why should your choices be limited and not based upon your personal choices?

[JudyKayTee]

I agree, and I agree that everyone should have the right to decide. I'm just saying I am happy with what I have, do not intend to arm myself to the teeth.

- although it's not a bad idea.

[cdad]

I agree, and I agree that everyone should have the right to decide. I'm just saying I am happy with what I have, do not intend to arm myself to the teeth.

- although it's not a bad idea.

Its not abut arming to the teeth. Its about choice. Lets say that instead of carrying a Smith & Wesson airweight snubnose which is limited in its capacity but still a good choice for a carry gun. You decide you want to carry/conceal a Sig P250 sc.(semiauto pistol) It only weighs 2 lbs fully loaded and can be a comfortable choice too. But the problen is that in 9mm it has a 12 round capacity. Making it Illegal in NY and California. To me that is not arming to the teeth nor anything extrodinary. Its just a matter of choice.

[talaniman]

Would ten rounds (or 7) change that choice?