[paraclete]

I take the Palin position.
Sarah Palin Syria Comment On Syria 'Let Allah Sort It Out' - YouTube

Yes Tom for once sound advice from that source

There has been too much interference in the affairs of the middle east in the past, the Arabs are big enough as a people and a culture to sort it out, even if their methods aren't what we would employ

[talaniman]

So how do we get the Russians out?

[paraclete]

So how do we get the Russians out?

The Russians are supplying a traditional market, and they have a naval base in Syria they are not fighting there, destabilisation of the region doesn't serve their interests either. We need to be far more concerned by the actions of Iran because they are involved on a religious/sectarian basis, we should really ask what is behind american backing of the rebels, is it just to gain advantage over Russia. It's hard to know; is the rebellion an arab spring thing or is it just sectarian violence? The sunni/shiia divide

[tomder55]

The Russians are supplying a traditional market, and they have a naval base in Syria they are not fighting there, destabilisation of the region doesn't serve their interests either. We need to be far more concerned by the actions of Iran because they are involved on a religious/sectarian basis, we should really ask what is behind american backing of the rebels, is it just to gain advantage over Russia. It's hard to know; is the rebellion an arab spring thing or is it just sectarian violence? the sunni/shiia divide

Yes there is no real logic behind it . But JF Kerry was evidently quite hawkish about it in a meeting with the emperor . The military doesn't want anything to do with it.

[tomder55]

yes Tom for once sound advice from that source

There has been too much interference in the affairs of the middle east in the past, the Arabs are big enough as a people and a culture to sort it out, even if their methods aren't what we would employ

My one thought in this is the question of American interest... and although there clearly is an American interest in the outcome ; I don't see any good one because the rebel coalition is dominated by jihadists.

[paraclete]

my one thought in this is the question of American interest .... and although there clearly is an American interest in the outcome ; I don't see any good one because the rebel coalition is dominated by jihadists.

Tom I am with you in this there is no american interest and this is why your government hasn't got involved. There is talk of the use of Gas, Gas is no different to guns, excepting it might affect the civilian population and no one wants to go back to WWI.

This is one of these conflicts where the lines are blurred, who is civilian? who is combatant? who is foreign? I suspect those who don't want to be involved have left, 1.6 million of them and now Hezbollah, a terrorist organisation, is involved. Is this why Obama wants to arm the rebels? This is a Muslim conflict and non-muslims would do well to stay out of it. As Putin says and I paraphrase, do you want to support zombie flesh eaters?

[speechlesstx]

Nah, caught you misrepresenting stuff again.

Uh no, you're so obsessed with me you don't care to check the facts beofre making yourself look stupid.

The people who brought you the war in Iraq (and the 2008 surge) are trying their best to start one in Syria, too. Not that there isn’t already violence in Syria, where a civil war in raging. So far, however, President Obama has refrained from escalating the conflict by providing arms, especially heavy weapons and missiles, to the rebels. But the hawks, neoconservatives and right-wing military types are demanding war. Unfortunately, a heck of a lot of Democrats are joining the war cries, too.

Writing in The Wall Street Journal, two über-hawks—Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute and General Jack Keane—call for outright bombing of Syria, targeting its airfields.

A cleaner and more decisive option is to strike Syrian aircraft and the regime’s key airfields through which Iranian and Russian weapons are flowing to government forces. If American forces use standoff cruise missiles and B-2 stealth bombers for these strikes, they will be out of the enemy’s reach.

The airfields are Assad’s lifeline of support from Iran and Russia, and without them he’s in real trouble. Syria’s air force will be severely degraded if the U.S. pursues this option, but Syrian planes won’t be entirely grounded because airfields can be repaired. As a result, these operations would need to be sustained for a period of time to preclude repairs.

Read more: Neocons, Hill Democrats Push for War Against Syria | The Nation Neocons, Hill Democrats Push for War Against Syria | The Nation

I rest my case.

[NeedKarma]

You may want to take the meds concerning the "obsession". You're just easy pickings because you post the worst stuff here.

The two people you mentioned that want to do a military strike are both ultra-conservative. Jack Keane works both for the " Institute for the Study of War" and is a national security analyst for Fox News, board member of AEI and a board member of several military/defense corporations. Pletka is a VP at AEI, a neoconservative "think tank". AEI is mainly funded by ExxonMobil.

But as we know the Pentagon’s position is in sync with President Barack Obama’s. People can speak their minds, no?

[tomder55]

Most of the Clintonistas are in favor of intervention ;including Bubba himself ,and Former Defense Secretary William Perry . Clintoon told the emperor that he is in danger of looking like a wuss if he doesn't . Former Obots Ann-Marie Slaughter,former head of the State Department's policy planning office also favors direct intervention. Sens. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Carl Levin (D-Mich.) both wrote a letter with John McCain and goober Lindsay Graham giving the emperor their support for intervention.

Even if I agreed with the policy ,I'd say the Emperor is late to the game. His so called 'red line ' was breached weeks ago (not that he has any real confirmation that Assad's forces used sarin... it could just as easily been the jihadists ) .He is now considering this move because it's a 'wag the dog ' diversion from all his domestic scandals.. . maybe he can find an aspirin factory to bomb .

[NeedKarma]

Clintonistas, Bubba, Clintoon, Obots, goober, emperor.. tough to follow your discussion sometimes.

[speechlesstx]

You may want to take the meds concerning the "obsession". You're just easy pickings because you post the worst stuff here.

Guess you've never paid attention to your own bullsh*t.

The two people you mentioned that want to do a military strike are both ultra-conservative. Jack Keane works both for the " Institute for the Study of War" and is a national security analyst for Fox News, board member of AEI and a board member of several military/defense corporations. Pletka is a VP at AEI, a neoconservative "think tank". AEI is mainly funded by ExxonMobil.

But as we know the Pentagon’s position is in sync with President Barack Obama’s. People can speak their minds, no?

You must be really fun at parties.

I guess getting past the headline - from the magaizine that calls itself "the flagship of the left" was too much for you. Which part of this is too difficult to understand?

Neocons, Hill Democrats Push for War Against Syria

Unfortunately, a heck of a lot of Democrats are joining the war cries, too.

In a very worrying development, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, including most of its Democratic members, are trying to pass legislation to force Obama’s hand on Syria. It’s not likely that the legislative strategy will work, but it’s ugly. Key Democrats, such as Senators Robert Menendez and Bob Casey, are yelping about war against Syria.

Do you need a lesson in grammar as well?

Whatever "sync" you refer to is irrelevant to the comment I made but your creepy obsession with me precludes the possibility of you acting rationally.

[excon]

Hello again,

To me, since we've been rope-a-doped into fighting TWO absolutely UNNEEDED, and BRUTAL wars, we wouldn't recognize a NEEDED war if it bonked us on the head.

excon

[NeedKarma]

Geez Steve, you mad bro?

What happened to you resting your case? Another lie? Hehe. You're so obsessed with me.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

To me, since we've been rope-a-doped into fighting TWO absolutely UNNEEDED, and BRUTAL wars, we wouldn't recognize a NEEDED war if it bonked us on the head.

excon

Yeah, you should be content with waging your war on women.

[tomder55]

Clintonistas, Bubba, Clintoon, Obots, goober, emperor..tough to follow your discussion sometimes.

The funny thing is I don't care if you can ,

[NeedKarma]

Oh I know, your posts are mainly for your conservative buddies - the echo chamber if you will.

[excon]

Yeah, you should be content with waging your war on women.

Hello again, Steve:

You say this as congress is debating an abortion bill that has exceptions for rape or incest ONLY IF it's been reported to the police.. The underlying notion, is that women would LIE to get an abortion.

If that's not warring on Americas women, I don't know what is.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

You say this as congress is debating an abortion bill that has exceptions for rape or incest ONLY IF it's been reported to the police.. The underlying notion, is that women would LIE to get an abortion.

If that's not warring on Americas women, I dunno what is.

excon

As usual you still have it wrong, it's a war for the lives of children.

[tomder55]

Not an accurate depiction. The law passed by the House yesterday would limit abortions after 20 weeks to women who have reported a rape to the authorities. The law is intended to restrict late term abortions. Originally the bill had no exceptions ;so if anything ,it's a concession.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I don't believe I misquoted the law at all. It has an exception for rape as long as it's been reported to the cops...

The ONLY reasoning for that requirement is because right wingers THINK women would LIE to get an abortion.

Or, it COULD be, as Marcia Blackburn explains, the cops need to catch these rapists and pedophiles, and if women won't HELP the cops do that, they should suffer the consequences..

No matter HOW you look at it, it's an assault upon the female gender.

excon