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    #101

    Jun 13, 2013, 03:13 PM
    Your health care providers lie to vulnerable young women /teens about abortions
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    #102

    Jun 13, 2013, 03:38 PM
    You make a good case for the morning after pill.
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    #103

    Jun 13, 2013, 03:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I have no problem, but you live in a perfect world if you think far too many minor kids are going to listen to their parents and other adults.
    Unlike you I don't give up hope in them.
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    #104

    Jun 13, 2013, 04:31 PM
    Hope and a prayer - two things you can do that result in nothing being done.
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    #105

    Jun 13, 2013, 06:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hope and a prayer - two things you can do that result in nothing being done.
    You are sure of that are you? But then you have to try it before you can make that statement, as for me I find the contrary to be true, but understand this; faith is the substance of things hoped for and you exercise faith in prayer
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    #106

    Jun 13, 2013, 06:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Unlike you I don't give up hope in them.
    Lets give them knowledge and good options just in case.
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    #107

    Jun 14, 2013, 07:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hope and a prayer - two things you can do that result in nothing being done.
    Are you really that clueless as to what hope does? No wonder you are how you are. Pathetic.
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    #108

    Jun 14, 2013, 07:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Lets give them knowledge and good options just in case.
    Come on Tal, enough of this canard that conservatives are anti-knowledge, anti-science, just plain clueless or whatever it is you think. We love options, too, and there much better options than killing off our children or leaving our pregnant kids at the mercy of the abortion absolutists.
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    #109

    Jun 14, 2013, 07:28 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Come on Tal, enough of this canard that conservatives are anti-knowledge, anti-science, just plain clueless or whatever it is you think. We love options, too, and there much better options than killing off our children or leaving our pregnant kids at the mercy of the abortion absolutists.
    Lol leave it to you to take what I say to some kinds of weird new level of partisan rhetoric. Didn't even mention you, just the kids.

    Chill out and explain your options that are better than education and support based on our best science.
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    #110

    Jun 14, 2013, 07:33 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    We love options, too,
    You do. I LOVE this one. You FORCE women to get probed all up in their vaginas, so that she can see a picture of what YOU want her to see..

    But, that's not an option you're OFFERING to women. It's an option you're FORCING them to go through.

    I believe the House of Representatives just passed a bill doing that very thing. Do I need to link you?

    Excon

    PS> By the way, it's a totally UNNEEDED medical procedure. Plus, putting the government in charge of EVERY uterus in the nation is ANYTHING, but small government..
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    #111

    Jun 14, 2013, 07:41 AM
    what hope does
    What does hope do?
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    #112

    Jun 14, 2013, 07:45 AM
    To keep a 6 year old from buying a day after pill you would not sell them at all? That's some whack logic.
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    #113

    Jun 14, 2013, 08:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    To keep a 6 year old from buying a day after pill you would not sell them at all? That's some whack logic.
    I don't believe I've ever said that.
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    #114

    Jun 14, 2013, 08:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What does hope do?
    Not much on psychology are you?
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    #115

    Jun 14, 2013, 08:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Not much on psychology are you?
    I have a master's degree in psychology and am also wondering what hope will do.
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    #116

    Jun 14, 2013, 09:05 AM
    Hope is an attitude, but not a replacement for the good orderly direction that requires actions. Sometimes those actions have unintended consequences that have to be dealt with. That requires MORE actions, like it or not. Without being willing to actually do something, then what good is just hope?

    I suppose its better than being hope... LESS!
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    #117

    Jun 14, 2013, 09:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Not much on psychology are you?
    It's a pretty straightforward and innocent question. It's just to educate myself since you said:
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Are you really that clueless as to what hope does?
    I assume you aren't clueless on this and can tell us.
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    #118

    Jun 14, 2013, 09:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't believe I've ever said that.
    I know you didn't, it was the no age restriction for OTC day after pills you cited before, but what 6 year old goes into a drug store with X dollars look for a day after pill?

    That's not likely to happen. There is no law on the books that take away parental consent, but kids do know how to get around it, and have for as long as their have been kids. Bet you did it to.
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    #119

    Jun 14, 2013, 09:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I have a master's degree in psychology and am also wondering what hope will do.
    If that's true then you're a lousy psychologist. Just remove hope from the equation and let us know what's left.
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    #120

    Jun 14, 2013, 09:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I know you didn't, it was the no age restriction for OTC day after pills you cited before, but what 6 year old goes into a drug store with X dollars look for a day after pill?

    That's not likely to happen. There is no law on the books that take away parental consent, but kids do know how to get around it, and have for as long as their have been kids. Bet you did it to.
    Dude, drop the 6 year old line, I challenged you all to apply this to whatever age of a minor child days ago. And yes of course once and for all also, kids don't always obey their parents, but I don't raise those issues because unlike you I don't waste my time on the no-brainer stuff - you guys harp on it to avoid the bigger issue.

    I contend that 13-year-old girls should NOT be able to buy plan B over the counter without permission from their parent or legal guardian. The Obama administration at least fought for a minimum age requirement putting us on the same side. It was the right thing to do - until they dropped their opposition.

    We disagree, you think it's good, I think it's throwing girls and parents under the bus.

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