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    #281

    Jun 4, 2013, 01:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Damn that IRS. Lemme know when you link Obama to it.. Yaaaaaawn..

    excon
    Yaaaawn is right. I have yet to approach this as a witch hunt on Obama, it's about our rights no matter how far up the ladder it goes.
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    Jun 4, 2013, 03:01 PM
    That's not what your fellow conservatives are saying.
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    Jun 4, 2013, 04:43 PM
    Answer to what I say.
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    Jun 4, 2013, 04:57 PM
    Its about our rights if indeed they were violated. That has yet to be confirmed. Issa will let you know when he has the proof. An admission to a glitch in the process is not admission of intentionally violating anyone's rights given the ambiguity of the law.

    Targeted, I ain't ready for that one yet, not without more than allegations. If indeed the TParty was targeted unfairly without proper cause, I will join your outrage but excuse me if I don't just give knee jerk reaction to the allegations.
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    Jun 5, 2013, 02:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Its about our rights if indeed they were violated. That has yet to be confirmed. Issa will let you know when he has the proof. An admission to a glitch in the process is not admission of intentionally violating anyone's rights given the ambiguity of the law.

    Targeted, I ain't ready for that one yet, not without more than allegations. If indeed the TParty was targeted unfairly without proper cause, I will join your outrage but excuse me if I don't just give knee jerk reaction to the allegations.
    Still in denial. From the get-go the admission was inappropriate targeting of conservative groups.

    But for now, I leave you with this:

    Top IRS Official For Obamacare Implementation Placed On Administrative Leave

    Sources say a key official in charge of overseeing health reform implementation, as well as another staffer, have been put on leave for accepting more than $1,000 in free meals and other items at a 2010 conference.
    IRS “Can’t Find Receipts’ For $4 Million Conference

    The IRS was apparently guilty of some sketchy recordkeeping in determining the complete cost of a $4 million employee conference held in Anaheim, Calif.

    Evidently no one had a shoebox to keep all the paperwork.

    This infamous conference paid for by the American people, which included a lame Star Trek parody video and a line-dancing video, was the subject of a Treasury Department Inspector General audit into excessive government spending that was released this week.

    The IRS spent $50 million on conferences over a couple of years, but it turns out that the price tag for this one may have been higher than reported.

    The Inspector General’s 63-page report explained in part, “While IRS management provided documentation showing the total final costs at $4.1 million, we could not obtain reasonable assurance that this amount represents a full and accurate accounting of the conference costs. The IRS was unable to provide documentation to support all costs associated with the conference … As a result, we cannot validate that the ‘final’ conference cost of $4.1 million reported by the IRS.”
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    #286

    Jun 5, 2013, 03:26 PM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Yeah, the IRS sucks... But, you didn't spend 30 pages whining about them. You want the big guy, and you can't get him.

    excon
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    Jun 5, 2013, 08:14 PM
    How come nobody calls congress men on the Agriculture committee a scandal?

    EWG Farm Subsidy Database

    This is the guy who voted against feeding kids while he votes himself government money for his farms. And the right hollers about the nanny state but they think its okay tosuck off the public teat.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-p...4#.Ua_-66Io6M8

    Okay Speech where is your outrage?
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    #288

    Jun 6, 2013, 04:59 AM
    You know my position on subsidies.
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    Jun 6, 2013, 05:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How come nobody calls congress men on the Agriculture committee a scandal?

    EWG Farm Subsidy Database

    This is the guy who voted against feeding kids while he votes himself government money for his farms. And the right hollers about the nanny state but they think its okay tosuck off the public teat.

    Tea Party Hypocrisy? Some Lawmakers With Tea Party Ties Are on the Government Dole - ABC News

    Okay Speech where is your outrage?
    And the new farm bill is a trillion dollar protection racket, start a thread.
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    #290

    Jun 6, 2013, 06:17 AM
    MSNBC's Martin Bashir has skillfully identified the latest Republican dog whistle, IRS.



    Apparently it goes even farther than just trying to get Obama it's a racist thing, got to get the "black man in the White House."
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    Jun 6, 2013, 06:32 AM
    Just because you are not a nasty ol' racist doesn't mean they don't exist and are highly offended by the black guy in the white house. And will do and say anything to get him out.

    And they vote for those that feed them and whose agenda aligns with theirs. A sad fact for sure but race baiting is done on both sides. You have to feed your base or you don't get elected.
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    Jun 6, 2013, 06:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Just because you are not a nasty ol' racist doesn't mean they don't exist and are highly offended by the black guy in the white house. And will do and say anything to get him out.

    And they vote for those that feed them and whose agenda aligns with theirs. A sad fact for sure but race baiting is done on both sides. You have to feed your base or you don't get elected.
    Come on Tal, don't you have anything left but the same ol' nonsense? No one has ever said racists don't exist, but you guys just keep validating my point that you either don't care about reality or are in complete denial about it, and you fully intend to perpetuate racial tension.

    I guarantee that the vast majority of Americans of any political persuasion do not have some light bulb that goes off in their head saying "that damn n*****" when someone says "IRS."

    That you would agree with Bashir at least tells me where you get your "news." If you want to be seen as in lockstep with such looney birds that's your call, he makes Michelle Bachmann look like an Einstein.
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    #293

    Jun 6, 2013, 07:19 AM
    Simple fact is the repubs NEED the racist vote because the won't get the minority one, or the youth or most females. My gosh man, what's left?

    Just do the math. And keep hollering about voter fraud, abortion bans and denying gay rights and how lazy and immoral everyone else is but you and you are a victim that's everyone else is trying to take your rights. Do you really think it looks good when old white guys talk so disrespectfully to black men and women in government?

    Like I said, your brethren in your party make it very hard to trust them with the interests of America when they treat everyone but their own as second class immoral false citizens. I don't need a poll, or talking head to tell me that.
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    #294

    Jun 6, 2013, 07:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Simple fact is the repubs NEED the racist vote because the won't get the minority one, or the youth or most females. My gosh man, what's left?

    Just do the math. And keep hollering about voter fraud, abortion bans and denying gay rights and how lazy and immoral everyone else is but you and you are a victim that's everyone else is trying to take your rights. Do you really think it looks good when old white guys talk so disrespectfully to black men and women in government?

    Like I said, your brethren in your party make it very hard to trust them with the interests of America when they treat everyone but their own as second class immoral false citizens. I don't need a poll, or talking head to tell me that.
    Enough flapping your gums, get me some hard data on this racist constituency because I just can't seem to find any way to calculate how that puts us over the top on anything.

    And funny thing, but making women pole dance for jobs and tweeting ones privates is not a Republican thing, and no one treats blacks with less respect than liberals.



    If it takes bribing people and treating them as helpless fools as Dems do I'll be happy to lose elections rather than condescend and lie to people. I'll keep my integrity thank you very much, you can compromise yours for a political agenda if you want but stop taking us down with you. .
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    #295

    Jun 6, 2013, 07:50 AM
    no one treats blacks with less respect than liberals.
    Like all those crazy liberal celebrities that go to Africa to try to make a difference?
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    Jun 6, 2013, 08:06 AM
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    Like all those crazy liberal celebrities that go to Africa to try to make a difference?
    Uh no, I gave my example already. Our side does things, we don't just pay lip service.

    Bushes honored for AIDS efforts - Houston Chronicle
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    #297

    Jun 6, 2013, 08:39 AM
    Hello again,

    Being an OUTRAGED taxpaying citizen, I want to KNOW who did WHAT? Why can't Issa subpoena the actual workers or their bosses and make them testify under oath? What is he waiting for? Don't tell me he can't find out who they are. This is an INVESTIGATIVE committee by the US Congress, and they're NOT investigating some PRIVATE company. They've got to know just who the workers are, and there's a REASON why they're not called.

    I think Issa is corrupt!

    excon
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    #298

    Jun 6, 2013, 08:47 AM
    we don't just pay lip service
    No, you get the elites together for photoshoots:
    A well-connected coterie of more than 200 guests... After a cocktail reception and the awards presentation, guests adjourned to a seated dinner by Tony’s in a lavish party tent.
    and then a listing of celebrities in attendance. LOL.
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    #299

    Jun 6, 2013, 08:49 AM
    If he ain't corrupt he sure is slow. Seems like the people who did what he thinks they did would know who told them to do it.

    Or maybe he isn't ready to let the air out of the right wing glee fest and make himself look stupid. It's all drama to distract us from something repubs are up to. Maybe its another robbery of the American people. I thought the bankers got it all last time.
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    #300

    Jun 6, 2013, 09:12 AM
    Hello again, tal:

    Seems like the people who did what he thinks they did would know who told them to do it.
    Issa can give them "use immunity", meaning that anything they say can't be used against them. That COMPELS them to testify or go to jail. Issa HAS that power. Why isn't he using it?

    More importantly, why aren't the right wingers demanding the same thing?

    Excon

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