[speechlesstx]

Not much on irony are you Tal?

[speechlesstx]

After two weeks of the "I don't know" defense yet another media outlet asks, who's in charge here?

Every day brings new revelations about who knew what about the IRS targeting conservative groups during President Obama's re-election campaign, but the overall impression is of a vast federal bureaucracy run amok. While the White House continues to peddle the story of a driverless train wreck, taxpayers are being treated to a demonstration of the dangers of an unwieldy and unaccountable administrative state. Look, Ma, no hands!

Ol' Clint was right...

[talaniman]

I would say the process on accountability has started with 5 investigations, wouldn't you?

[paraclete]

Holding people accountable and them seeing themselves as accountable are two different things

[Wondergirl]

holding people accountable and them seeing themselves as accountable are two different things

Is he blaming others?

[paraclete]

Don't know but the idea that the buck stops here seems to have been lost

[Wondergirl]

don't know but the idea that the buck stops here seems to have been lost

Really? I don't get that feeling all.

[tomder55]

When he lies and says he didn't know what his closest cabinet officers ,his Chief of Staff,and his own WH counselor knows ,then he is either passing the buck or he is one of the most incompetent boobs who has ever occupied the office. He wants us to believe that he only found out about the AP phone taps when the press started reporting it ? Pullllleeezzz! Eric Holder personally signed off on them . You mean to say he didn't tell the Emperor about it ? You mean to say that his Chief of Staff and Counselor knew about the IRS abuses and neither of them told him ? He should immediately demand their resignations if that's so.

It's more like Nixonian plausible deniabilty .

[speechlesstx]

I would say the process on accountability has started with 5 investigations, wouldn't you?

Think about it.

[speechlesstx]

Last week we learned the Dems were going to run hard on Zerocare for 2014, the "being a woman is no longer a preexisting condition" strategy, which conveniently also sounds like a continuation of the "war on women" meme.

This week we hear Zerocare popularity is at an all-time low while Democrats celebrate the news that non-group insurance premiums may only go up 146% on some people.

Yesterday, Madame "we gotta pass the bill to know what's in it" Pelosi got in on the Zerocare goalpost shifting:

“I don’t remember saying that everybody in the country would have a lower premium.”

Oh but she did, last year on July1. “Everybody will have lower rates” said Ms. Pelosi.

Let the spin begin again.

[talaniman]

Everyone would if Medicare was expanded to include ALL Americans. That's why most progressives don't like ACA, because it's not comprehensive enough.

[speechlesstx]

Everyone would if Medicare was expanded to include ALL Americans. That's why most progressives don't like ACA, because it's not comprehensive enough.

I get that progressives want it all though I don't get why in the hell ANYONE would trust this government, the government that failed our ambassador and others in Benghazi and lied about it, the government that let thousands of automatic weapons walk leading to the death of a Border Patrol agent and who knows how much violence in Mexico, the government that seized AP's phone records and labeled a reporter a "co-conspirator", the government that targeted conservatives and will soon have our health care info - and snoops on EVERY phone call, email and credit card transactions.

You want us to trust them with our health still? Dude, wake up.

[Wondergirl]

"snoops on EVERY phone call, email and credit card transactions"

Thank the Patriot Act for that.

[speechlesstx]

"snoops on EVERY phone call, email and credit card transactions"

Thank the Patriot Act for that.

So you're OK with this admin's MASSIVE expansion of government snooping and trust same with your healthcare? They certainly have not done anything to earn our trust, or have they?

[tomder55]

"snoops on EVERY phone call, email and credit card transactions"

Thank the Patriot Act for that.

Both the Patriot Act and the FISA reauthorization have specific parameters.In other words there are defined limits that the government must comply with to make the search lawful . I would like to see the argument the gvt made to receive a court order this broad.

I certainly don't understand the left's outrage. They support data bases for gun owners .They support the government database of our healthcare . You would think they would just as quickly not care about data mining of everyone's phone and electronic communications .

[NeedKarma]

They support data bases for gun owners - gov is running a background check program

They support the government database of our healthcare - gov is running a healthcare program

data mining of everyone's phone and electonic communications - for what purpose again?

[smearcase]

I haven't made up my mind about obamacare yet. I might end up in the "for it before I was against it" category before it's all over.
But as the saga continues and possibly all the negatives get ferreted out, what are the odds that enough Senate Dems will abandon ship (as I believe some already have at least hinted at), to pass a bill to finally kill it, and with enough support to override a veto? 2014 elections will be looming as bill problems or hopefully improvements come to light.
The "if you like your insurance you can keep it- or similar line" seems to be the most glowing untruth to date.
My group insurer -Carefirst of MD has already said that their private non-group rates will increase by 50%, and they (Carefirst) sent us a letter telling us that (in so many words) "don't worry about the new ACA provisions because they won't apply to your present group plan". Is that good news? Or does that mean we are still subject to pre-existing conditions and lifetime or yearly maximums, etc.

[tomder55]

And HHS boss Kathlene Sebilius proved the line about the government not getting between the patient and the doctor another falsehood.

[smearcase]

Not giving any estimate of how much chance that it could still be killed tom?

[talaniman]

I have to ask, IF YOU LIKE YOUR insurance you can keep it. Well lets be honest about do we like it or not. I have watched the price of insurance premiums sky rocket along with the actual costs of hospitals and doctors. Most people have stayed with their employer insurance not because they actually like it, but have little choice. Those that have to buy private insurance pay out the ying yang, and no money no insurance, so you pay for their emergency room visits.

I bet when those tax deductions for the cost of the health care you do like kick in, many will change their tunes. Maybe you can afford BETTER coverage rather than the cheap bare minimum that leaves you broke after you have to actually use it.

The fix, rather than go back to faster rising cost and being dropped when you are sick, is the Medicare for all option. That's the only thing I have against the ACA, it still leaves insurance companies in the middle of our health care needs. And that's expensive whether you like your insurance companies or not because the giants have carved up the country and control prices for their own bottom line.

Most people are finding out their insurance is junk any way, so like is the wrong word. Scammed would fit better. So the fact your costs are going up has nothing to do with the ACA in the first place. They have been going up for decades any way.

I doubt we go back to the way it was before ACA. Even repub governors who hollered before are embracing Medicaid expansion, and that's a part of the ACA too.