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speechlesstx · May 10, 2013, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! Oh did you say something?

I can't take my Remington (or more than 3 ounces of shampoo) on the plane, for which I have to take my shoes off, get scanned and patted down before I can get on. American criminals are not why I can't carry my tiny pocket knife to a football game, or why my wife's purse gets searched before entering Disneyland, or why my visit to Nasa was greeted by guards with fully automatic weapons...

paraclete · May 10, 2013, 04:56 AM

You don't live in a perfect world Tom. You think someone should have connected the dots but that is profiling and someone over there thinks it would have been a violation of his rights to act the way you suggest

You thing every muslim is a potential bomber as I said in another thread kick all the towelheads out, problem solved

tomder55 · May 10, 2013, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

you don't live in a perfect world Tom. You think someone should have connected the dots but that is profiling and someone over there thinks it would have been a violation of his rights to act the way you suggest

You thing every muslim is a potential bomber as I said in another thread kick all the towelheads out, problem solved

No I don't . I don't believe the Muslim owner of a deli in my town ,who works in the same strip mall as a Jewish bagel shop and a Pizza place run by as native Croate is a potential bomber . Most of the Muslims in the country are not a threat . It is not that hard to find out the ones that are ;and yes ,to a degree profiling is part of the solution. When I was a kid the concern was the mafia . That meant that if law enforcement wanted to defeat the mafia they would need to do some profiling of Italian-Americans. The vast majority of Italian-Americans were law abiding citizens . Still the correct response by law enforcement was to monitor Italian American communities a little more than other communities . That is just the way it is.

tomder55 · May 10, 2013, 05:22 AM

Last year, when Tamerlan Tsarnaev spent six months in the Russian region of Dagestan, he had a guide with an unusually deep knowledge of the local Islamist community: a distant cousin named Magomed Kartashov. Six years older than Tsarnaev, Kartashov is a former police officer and freestyle wrestler -- and one of the region's most prominent Islamists.

In 2011, Kartashov founded and became the leader of an organization called the Union of the Just, whose members campaign for Shari'a and pan-Islamic unity in Dagestan, often speaking out against U.S. policies across the Muslim world. The group publicly renounces violence. But some of its members have close links to militants; others have served time in prison for weapons possession and abetting terrorism -- charges they say were based on fabricated evidence. For Tsarnaev, these men formed a community of pious young Muslims with whom he could discuss his ideas of jihad. Tsarnaev's mother Zubeidat confirmed that her son is Kartashov's third cousin. The two met for the first time in Dagestan, she said, and "became very close."

Kartashov told the FSB roughly the same story, Abdullaeva says, and it matches the accounts of five other men in Dagestan who know Kartashov and spent time with Tsarnaev. All of them dismiss the notion that Tsarnaev was radicalized in Dagestan. Instead, the picture that emerges from their accounts is of a young man who already carried a deep interest in Islamic radicalism when he went to Russia from his home in Massachusetts. But that curiosity evolved during his visit. The members of Kartashov's circle say they tried to disabuse Tsarnaev of his sympathies for local militants. By the end of his time in Dagestan, Tsarnaev's interests seem to have shifted from the local insurgency to a more global notion of Islamic struggle -- closer to the one espoused by Kartashov's organization

Boston Bombings: Relative of Tamerlan Tsarnaev Is a Prominent Islamist | TIME.com

talaniman · May 10, 2013, 05:41 AM

Better coordination and intelligence sharing should be a norm for us now between feds and locals. Unfortunately its not and its is a resourcing issue as well. Heck we can't track ordinary criminals at 100% efficiency either.

excon · May 10, 2013, 05:46 AM

Hello again,

Bush and Cheney are dufus's. Their solution is, if you have agencies that aren't communicating with each other, throw BILLIONS at them, make them more unwieldy, and throw out the Fourth Amendment..

If it would have been ME, I would have made them leaner and meaner... But, of course, I know HOW to get things done.

excon

paraclete · May 10, 2013, 06:12 AM

Yeah lean and mean that's the to go you won't see the next 9/11 coming just like you didn't see the last one

excon · May 10, 2013, 06:20 AM

Hello again, clete:

you won't see the next 9/11 coming just like you didn't see the last one

Freedom DOES have a downside. But, I'll opt for freedom anyway..

Excon

speechlesstx · May 10, 2013, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Bush and Cheney are dufus's. Their solution is, if you have agencies that aren't communicating with each other, throw BILLIONS at them, make them more unwieldy, and throw out the Fourth Amendment..

If it would have been ME, I would have made them leaner and meaner... But, of course, I know HOW to get things done.

excon

I bet you feel different about Zerocare.

excon · May 10, 2013, 06:35 AM

Hello again, Steve:

I bet you feel different about Zerocare.

Nahhh. I feel the same.. You'll remember that MY solution is a ONE page law, with LOTS of white space on the page... It'll say, Medicare for All.

Zerocare will be tweaked, and then be tweaked again. If we're LUCKY, it'll be tweaked to the obvious solution, which is the one above..

Lean, and Mean... That's what I say. I'm a SMALL government liberal..

Excon

paraclete · May 10, 2013, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by excon

He

Lean, and Mean... That's what I say. I'm a SMALL government liberal..

excon

That's an oxymoron

speechlesstx · May 10, 2013, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh. I feel the same.. You'll remember that MY solution is a ONE page law, with LOTS of white space on the page... It'll say, Medicare for All.

Zerocare will be tweaked, and then be tweaked again. If we're LUCKY, it'll be tweaked to the obvious solution, which is the one above..

Lean, and Mean... That's what I say. I'm a SMALL government liberal..

excon

A SMALL government liberal would have been OPPOSED to this monstrosity from the outset.

excon · May 10, 2013, 06:56 AM

Hello Steve:

I support the IDEA of universal health care. This ISN'T it, but it's a start. If you have a BETTER idea, you should introduce it instead of trying to repeal Obamacare for the 40th time.

I DIDN'T like the giveaways Obama made for the purpose of bringing Republicans on board.. In fact, if ANYTHING is responsible for this "monstrosity", it's ALL the outreach Obama did to bring you recalcitrants on board. Didn't work, and we're STUCK with 'em.

You're mistaking me for somebody who carries water for Obama..

excon

paraclete · May 10, 2013, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by excon

You're mistaking me for somebody who carries water for Obama..

excon

We're mistaking you for a democrat

excon · May 10, 2013, 07:07 AM

Hello again, Steve,

we're mistaking you for a democrat

Yes, you are.

Excon

tomder55 · May 10, 2013, 07:17 AM

I DIDN'T like the giveaways Obama made for the purpose of bringing Republicans on board..

The giveaways were to get so called moderate Dems on board. There was no attempt to address conservative concerns with the bill ;or Republic concerns for that matter .

speechlesstx · May 10, 2013, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

I support the IDEA of universal health care. This ISN'T it, but it's a start. If you have a BETTER idea, you should introduce it instead of trying to repeal Obamacare for the 40th time.

I DIDN'T like the giveaways Obama made for the purpose of bringing Republicans on board.. In fact, if ANYTHING is responsible for this "monstrosity", it's ALL the outreach Obama did to bring you recalcitrants on board. Didn't work, and we're STUCK with 'em.

You're mistaking me for somebody who carries water for Obama..

excon

Ex, you sure remember a different version of how we got Obamacare than reality and YOU try and get something past Dingy Harry Reid. Virtually every Republican offering on anything is DOA when it gets to the Senate.

smoothy · May 10, 2013, 08:15 AM

And look at the people that were admonishing those of us who knew from the beginning it was a Muslim behind this. As are most of these sorts of things.

Wondergirl · May 10, 2013, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

And look at the people that were admonishing those of us who knew from the beginning it was a Muslim behind this. As are most of these sorts of things.

No, he wasn't a Muslim. Muslims are better than that. He took the word Muslim and twisted it up into something unrecognizable.

smoothy · May 10, 2013, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No, he wasn't a Muslim. Muslims are better than that. He took the word Muslim and twisted it up into something unrecognizable.

Both Brothers were Muslims... its a proven and known fact.

They weren't Bhudists... Hidus, Christian, Aetheist or Jewish.