[Wondergirl]

If you play enough in the Current Events board you see this A LOT.

I read this board all the time and hesitate to post simply because I usually get ignored or unfairly shot down.

[excon]

Hello Carol:

I'll NEVER ignore you again.

excon

[tomder55]

I had said "mentally ill (et al.)" to include anyone else else who might be up to no good. So there is suspicion and surveillance. Nothing can really be done about it unless the suspects take some kind of action. Right ?

Nope ;the FBI has been pretty successful in setting up stings to prevent such attacks . There are a lot of unanswered questions . Given that the older brother was a welfare case ,how was he able to travel for so long ? He went 6 months to Dagestan in 2012 . What was he doing there ? How was this operation financed ?
Seriously... there is no conclusion you can draw except the fact that the FBI and DHS dropped the ball.

[speechlesstx]

Wow! That's a fantastically absurd extrapolation of what I actually said!

No, it was a question, hence the question mark. It's not out of the realm of possibilities because we already have elements saying the whole thing is our fault. I was hoping you didn't see it that way and you've confirmed it, so don't get all bent out of shape.

[speechlesstx]

If you play enough in the Current Events board you see this A LOT.

And if they stick around long enough they'll see your nonsense, too.

[speechlesstx]

Over at the NY Times Tom Friedman has the answer to the question everyone is asking in the wake of the bombing, what now? The answer? Rebuild America and the place to start is with a carbon tax.

UNTIL we fully understand what turned two brothers who allegedly perpetrated the Boston Marathon bombings into murderers, it is hard to make any policy recommendation other than this: We need to redouble our efforts to make America stronger and healthier so it remains a vibrant counterexample to whatever bigoted ideology may have gripped these young men...

...


So what to do? We need a more “radical center” — one much more willing to suggest radically new ideas to raise revenues, not the “split-the-difference-between-the-same-old-options center.” And the best place to start is with a carbon tax.

Yes, obviously the best place to start with preventing such another attack is with a new tax. You can't make this stuff up.

[NeedKarma]

Yes, obviously the best place to start with preventing such another attack is with a new tax. You can't make this stuff up.

You knowingly cut out a whole lot of content in the middle of the article. The carbon tax line has nothing to do discussion ways to prevent another attack. It was referring to the current budget talks.
Your lies are tiresome.

[tomder55]

Is Friedman still pretending he's an economist ? I kind of thing the best course we should take is to build build build the pipelines and drill baby drill.

[tomder55]

Il Duce Cuomo tried to link the attack to climate change too:

One gets the sense that this is more reflective of the, quote, unquote, new normal, if you will. So much of society is changing so rapidly, we talk about a new normal when it comes to climate change and adjusting to a change in the weather patterns. New normal when it comes to public security in a post-9/11 world where these random acts of violence, which at one time were implausible, now seem all too frequent.

[Wondergirl]

nope ;the FBI has been pretty successful in setting up stings to prevent such attacks . There are alot of unanswered questions . Given that the older brother was a welfare case ,how was he able to travel for so long ? He went 6 months to Dagestan in 2012 . What was he doing there ? How was this operation financed ?
Seriously ... there is no conclusion you can draw except the fact that the FBI and DHS dropped the ball.

His wife worked her butt off, so that income plus money he received from welfare (and parents?) could have easily paid into his flights to and from Dagestan. Once he was at his parents, he didn't do much, sounds like. He slept until 3 p.m. every day; his father asked him if he came to visit or to sleep. How much does it cost to fly round trip to Russia?

New reports say the bombing idea was a recent one, had just been whomped up and put into operation since the beginning of the year.

[speechlesstx]

You knowingly cut out a whole lot of content in the middle of the article.

Dude, the... at the end of the first quote and the... between the paragraphs are clear indications that content was omitted. Secondly I linked the source so I hid nothing. I happen to believe people can read the whole damn thing for themselves without your help if they want to Now when you show a news source, any news source that quotes the entire context of anything you might have a point, but you won't so you don't.

The carbon tax line has nothing to do discussion ways to prevent another attack. It was referring to the current budget talks.

Wrong bucko, that paragraph began with this line:

Rebuilding our strength has to start with healing our economy.

His idea to do just that is to start with a carbon tax, "And the best place to start is with a carbon tax." I stand by my original post as an accurate representation regardless of your tiresome protests.

Your lies are tiresome.

Since you think you know everything can you tell what I'm thinking now?

[NeedKarma]

Sorry, you're wrong. You're trying to mislead people, you do it all the time for some sorry political point.

[speechlesstx]

ZZZZZzzzzz...

[tomder55]

His wife worked her butt off, so that income plus money he received from welfare (and parents?) could have easily paid into his flights to and from Dagestan. Once he was at his parents, he didn't do much, sounds like. He slept until 3 p.m. every day; his father asked him if he came to visit or to sleep. How much does it cost to fly round trip to Russia?

New reports say the bombing idea was a recent one, had just been whomped up and put into operation since the beginning of the year.

I think I'll wait for the hard hitting press investigation... I'm sure just like Benghazi ,we will hear the truth from the administration and the compliant press.

[Wondergirl]

I think I'll wait for the hard hitting press investigation

What WILL you believe?

[paraclete]

I think I'll wait for the hard hitting press investigation... I'm sure just like Benghazi ,we will hear the truth from the administration and the compliant press.

If you believe that you will believe anything

[Tuttyd]

Over at the NY Times Tom Friedman has the answer to the question everyone is asking in the wake of the bombing, what now? The answer? Rebuild America and the place to start is with a carbon tax.



Yes, obviously the best place to start with preventing such another attack is with a new tax. You can't make this stuff up.

I assume you got the selected quote directly from a media source, so I am not accusing you of dishonesty. But it is actually a dishonest media ploy.

It works like this:

An example in this case would be starting a paragraph that ends with words such as "bigoted ideology", "gripped these men". You then leave out a significant part of the text and come in with a paragraph using words such as "radical centre", thus linking the author to the emotive words in the above paragraph. In this example it would be, "bigoted ideology" "gripped these men", "radical centre".

You then claim that you were not using any of these words in a context. The terms you were just using the words that were actually there. It just so happens that the author used the term "radical" as a solution. You go on to say that the selected words of the author just so happened to find themselves close to the other radical explanations that were found in the article.

I am not blaming you, but this is the worst type of dishonest journalism.

[paraclete]

Man you are certainly not part of the solution are you?

[speechlesstx]

I assume you got the selected quote directly from a media source, so I am not accusing you of dishonesty. But it is actually a dishonest media ploy.

It works like this:

An example in this case would be starting a paragraph that ends with words such as "bigoted ideology", "gripped these men". You then leave out a significant part of the text and come in with a paragraph using words such as "radical centre", thus linking the author to the emotive words in the above paragraph. In this example it would be, "bigoted ideology" "gripped these men", "radical centre".

You then claim that you were not using any of these words in a context. The terms you were just using the words that were actually there. It just so happens that the author used the term "radical" as a solution. You go on to say that the selected words of the author just so happened to find themselves close to the other radical explanations that were found in the article.

I am not blaming you, but this is the worst type of dishonest journalism.

I'm not a journalist, this is a discussion board with a character limit, I almost always link the source (which in this case is a first person source) so I cannot be honestly accused of being a liar as is NK's sole contribution to the discussion. So in my opinion if you want to take issue take issue with the guy dishonestly calling me a liar whose sole purpose on this forum seems to be attacking me. I misrepresented nothing, I focused on the source's admitted primary solution, quoted verbatim.

[Tuttyd]

I'm not a journalist, this is a discussion board with a character limit, I almost always link the source (which in this case is a first person source) so I cannot be honestly accused of being a liar as is NK's sole contribution to the discussion. So in my opinion if you want to take issue take issue with the guy dishonestly calling me a liar whose sole purpose on this forum seems to be attacking me. I misrepresented nothing, I focused on the source's admitted primary solution, quoted verbatim.

I wasn't accusing you of doing anything deliberately wrong. My attack was on a journalistic style that seems to have become popular with certain sections of the media.

An example of this type of journalism might come in the form of a live coverage of some crime in progress or a crime that has just been committed.

A scenario might be that the police have in a custody a person of Latin American appearance. While not linking this to actual events the commentators talk about illegal immigration in general. While not linking this to actual events taking place they might talk about countries in Latin America having radical left or right wing governments that might be seeking revenge. While not linking this to actual events they might talk about radical religions.

All they are doing is having a political conversation in general. It just so happens that a lot of controversial words were used in isolation to the events. It just so happens that these words appeared in proximity to the actual events

Furthermore, they would claim that if people make certain links and jump to conclusions when it comes to these words, then it not their problem.

In the end news organizations are not doing anything wrong. After all, no one expects journalists exercise responsibility in these matters..