[talaniman]

I think the whole point being made is that there are some crazy folks lurking amongst us, so don't be distracted. Sure it's a concern they give conservatives a bad rap, but they also give progressives one too. Lets not lose sight of the real issue of extremists thinking, AND actions, and the danger that actions means to unwary citizens.

[speechlesstx]

I think the whole point being made is that there are some crazy folks lurking amongst us, so don't be distracted. Sure its a concern they give conservatives a bad rap, but they also give progressives one too. Lets not lose sight of the real issue of extremists thinking, AND actions, and the danger that actions means to unwary citizens.

We can start with not giving any credibility to the SPLC and using their bullsh!t as a basis for admin policy.

[speechlesstx]

We can start with not giving any credibility to the SPLC and using their bullsh!t as a basis for admin policy.

Wrong thread, but oh well.

[talaniman]

Let's just apply this logic to other areas, like health care for instance.

And just curious, why would blacks and Latinos have a problem with white lifeguards? Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.

They don't have a problem. Maybe that's one of many argument to justify the program but nobody cares who saves them when they are in trouble. And to say it dummies down the qualifications then you miss the point of this,

To help diversify its lifeguard ranks, the city raised about $15,000 over the past two years in scholarships to offset the cost of lifeguard-certification courses. Recruits who pass a swim test at the end can apply to be city lifeguards.

The key is after some training they can APPLY to be lifeguards. So what do you have against minorities being properly educated and certified to apply since no one is lowering the qualifications to be a life guard, nor just giving the title to an unqualified kid.

So what's this lowering the bar, and unqualified stuff are you talking about? I know you are not saying people of color cannot qualify as life guards are you?

[speechlesstx]

Yes, throw money at diversity when you have qualified people of the wrong skin color. See I thought skin color didn't matter to but it seems to be a consideration in everything these days. That doesn't bother you?

[talaniman]

So because you have qualified people of the right color, no need to throw money at the darker people to be as qualified as the right colored people?

[speechlesstx]

So because you have qualified people of the right color, no need to throw money at the darker people to be as qualified as the right colored people?

Right color??

[Tuttyd]

Right color?????????

I think this means that certain ethnic groups, because of their economic circumstances and locations have a limited opportunity to participate in certain types of recreational activities. It is equally likely they do not realize these types of activities can be financially rewarding.

So, "throwing money" at these people gives them the opportunity to participate in something they would have otherwise not considered.

[speechlesstx]

I think this means that certain ethnic groups, because of their economic circumstances and locations have a limited opportunity to participate in certain types of recreational activities. It is equally likely they do not realize these types of activities can be financially rewarding.

So, "throwing money" at these people gives them the opportunity to participate in something they would have otherwise not considered.

I get that but that isn't why the city of Phoenix is doing this. They're doing it because their lifeguards awere white. They weren't the "right color".

[Tuttyd]

I get that but that isn't why the city of Phoenix is doing this. They're doing it because their lifeguards awere white. They weren't the "right color".

Yes, it does say that. But I am not sure of the point you are making.

[speechlesstx]

It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?

[Tuttyd]

It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?

Actually, I blame the United Nations Charter for this problem.

It is the failure to make the distinction between racial discrimination, ethnic discrimination and gender discrimination.

[speechlesstx]

In this country I blame the left.

[Tuttyd]

In this country I blame the left.

Lol.. Good answer. I might leave it there.

[talaniman]

It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?

Skin color does matter, and we have not evolved to a better world that it doesn't. The real issue is why is it not acceptable to put resources for instructions and tests to those youths of color who are willing and interested in competing for those jobs that so far have white kids in them?

We should be looking to do that for all the kids. Teaching someone to fish requires money, and time. So what's the problem with one kid having that chance? Your objection to one kid having a chance seems to be he is the wrong color and shouldn't be competing with the white kids.

I say that because of the throwing money at diversity comment, and the erroneous assertion that this one lone kid would be given a free pass with less expectations of meeting a bar that the white kids had to meet.

Correct me if I am wrong but your statement was

Originally Posted by speechlesstx,
Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.

Search your soul and tell me the reason why you are against ONE person having what the white kids have. A respectable job. This is no lazy kid having the bar lowered for his lazy a$$. This is a kid who wants to learn, and work. I can't believe you are against that.

[tomder55]

Here's an idea. Let the ones interested sign up for the Red Cross life guard course. Then if they have the qualifications they can pass the requirements for the certification . The requirements are published .
Lifeguard Certification Arizona (AZ)

[speechlesstx]

Tal, nice long rant but it's based on an assumption. I don't deny opportunity for anyone and don't care who gets the job. You're missing the point entirely.

[Tuttyd]

here's an idea. let the ones interested sign up for the Red Cross life guard course. Then if they have the qualifications they can pass the requirements for the certification . The requirements are published .
Lifeguard Certification Arizona (AZ)

But that's the whole idea. There is a lack of interest because it is not something that certain ethnic groups would consider.

In a similar way people who live in the poorer areas of the inner city would probably not consider a course in becoming a greenkeeper or a golf professional.

[speechlesstx]

Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?

Should we really care if the person rescuing us from drowning is a certain color? After all that was one the city's justifications, the swimmers can relate better to someone that looks like the and that's ridiculous. I thought the end goal was to be at ease with other in spite of that, it's a designed segregation. Forcing diversity on one hand while engineering segregation on the other seems rather silly.

[Tuttyd]

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?

I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to become a lifeguard. Are they?

Should we really care if the person rescuing us from drowning is a certain color? After all that was one the city's justifications, the swimmers can relate better to someone that looks like the and that's ridiculous.

I would have seen this as being a role model.

. I thought the end goal was to be at ease with other in spite of that, it's a designed segregation. Forcing diversity on one hand while engineering segregation on the other seems rather silly.

A large number of people might want to claim to be at "ease with the other" but I suspect that only exists on the surface.