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    #321

    Mar 27, 2013, 07:09 AM
    Actually there is another motive... Obama thinks there is Oil under it and he can't stop drilling on private land, so he siezes it can calls it Federal land.

    North Dakota is putting a wedge in his no new oil policy.
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    #322

    Mar 27, 2013, 07:11 AM
    A) The federal government already owns nearly a third of our land

    B) The federal government SUCKS at managing it.

    C) Feeding people is more important than the Delta Smelt.

    D) It has nothing to do with climate change, it's all about Obama's legacy
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    Mar 27, 2013, 07:12 AM
    Oil reserves in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ain't you guys tired of "Drill,baby drill" yet? Or the messes they make?
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    Mar 27, 2013, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Oil reserves in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ain't you guys tired of "Drill,baby drill" yet? Or the messes they make?
    No.. we are tired of the people opposed to oil... using oil however. They should have to register and practice what they preach. That leaves more oil for the rest of us.
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    #325

    Mar 27, 2013, 07:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Oil reserves in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ain't you guys tired of "Drill,baby drill" yet? Or the messes they make?
    It seems to be contributing greatly to our area economy at the moment
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    #326

    Mar 27, 2013, 07:33 AM
    So does road construction in our area. Its booming without oil.
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    #327

    Mar 27, 2013, 07:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So does road construction in our area. Its booming without oil.
    I know, you can't get anywhere in the Metroplex.
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    #328

    Mar 27, 2013, 07:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So does road construction in our area. Its booming without oil.
    So they how are they building roads without using oil? Concrete and slave labor?

    Aphault is an oil product... so no oil no blacktop. No oil no trucks... no oil no heavy equipment.
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    Mar 27, 2013, 07:58 AM
    Still believe that peak oil myth ? None of the new oil that can be tapped into by horizontal drilling and fracking is considered in the known reserve. The Bakken alone doubles the known reserve and the Wiki article doesn't take into accounts new discoveries like Marcellus Shale in NY ,or Monterey Shale in Cal.. . which if anyone in California or NY had any sense ;would be developed immediately .
    Add to that the abundance of natural gas in these same finds ,and the US has energy reserved that rival the Middle East .
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    Mar 27, 2013, 08:29 AM
    What's the big hurry? Flooding the markets with American oil and gas would do what to the markets? Especially given we are moving to surpluses ourselves. Especially given the subsidies that oil companies to name one already enjoy.
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    #331

    Mar 27, 2013, 08:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    new discoveries like Marcellus Shale in NY ,or Monterey Shale in Cal. ....which if anyone in California or NY had any sense ;would be developed immediately .
    Add to that the abundance of natural gas in these same finds ,and the US has energy reserved that rival the Middle East .
    And let's wreak havoc to the environment...
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    Mar 27, 2013, 08:38 AM
    There's plenty of oil in Texas, Smoothy, and construction jobs pay very well, but the secret was leveraging stimulis money and having the projects ready to go. They actually have been building like crazy for 10 years, and were not as hard hit by the housing bubble but as other areas of the country. Not saying there are no down sides to be resolved, but unlike other states, the legislature has more authority than the govenor, and more business sense.

    No brag, just fact!
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    #333

    Mar 27, 2013, 08:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And let's wreak havoc to the environment....
    Oh, drink a little fracking fluid and chill.
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    Mar 27, 2013, 08:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Oh, drink a little fracking fluid and chill.
    Heck, I'm at the end of my life anyway, so who cares what I breathe and eat and drink.
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    Mar 27, 2013, 08:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I know, you can't get anywhere in the Metroplex.
    Rush hour is a BEEEEEEEEEYATCH!!

    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Oh, drink a little fracking fluid and chill.
    Don't smoke or be near an open flame if you do.
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    #336

    Mar 27, 2013, 08:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Whats the big hurry? Flooding the markets with American oil and gas would do what to the markets? Especially given we are moving to surpluses ourselves. Especially given the subsidies that oil companies to name one already enjoy.
    It means Americans get rich from our money instead of some towel heads in the desert.
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    #337

    Mar 27, 2013, 08:48 AM
    There are no poor oil men in America.
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    #338

    Mar 27, 2013, 08:53 AM
    I guess you either missed or forgot this.

    I drank fracking fluid, says (Democratic) Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper
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    #339

    Mar 27, 2013, 09:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    There are no poor oil men in America.
    Or apparently anyone else who has gone to N Dakota .
    Oil boom brings high-paying jobs to North Dakota - Sep. 28, 2011
    If I was a young man starting ,I'd already be there.
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    #340

    Mar 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
    Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking - ProPublica

    Because its drinkable, doesn't mean its not flammable. Hope the guy didn't belch while he smoked.

    Under pressure from fracking company, EPA abandons Texas family with flammable well water | Righting Injustice | Righting Injustice

    The Associated Press, however, obtained a confidential report that may throw some light on why the EPA suddenly removed itself from this case.

    According to an AP report, “the EPA had scientific evidence against the driller, Range Resources, but changed course after the company threatened not to cooperate with a national study into a common form of drilling called hydraulic fracturing.” Regulators then set aside their analysis pointing to the drilling operation as a likely source for the contaminated well water. Other studies have demonstrated that methane concentrations are 17 times higher in drinking water wells near fracking sites than in normal wells while the fracking chemicals themselves leach into the water table.
    Waterless Fracking Makes Headway in Texas, Slowly | The Texas Tribune

    Yeah come drink some of this stuff.

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