[smoothy]

the man has class

Class? More like lack of class... the man probably eats with his fingers and doesn't know why anyone would have more than one spoon, one fork, and one knife on the table.

[paraclete]

They seem to have a problem with collecting tax in various parts of Europe and it goes hand in glove with financial failure

[smoothy]

They just are telling the governments a very popular Italian gesture...



Spelled out...



In America we have the much more subtle one finger salute.




We learn it shortly after birth.

[speechlesstx]

they seem to have a problem with collecting tax in various parts of Europe and it goes hand in glove with financial failure

Apparently you didn't let that line soak in long enough.

[paraclete]

Apparently you didn't let that line soak in long enough.

I'm not going to debate with smoothy regarding the characteristics of a person he considers an inferior

[smoothy]

I'm not going to debate with smoothy regarding the characteristics of a person he considers an inferior

You mean like you Australians have considered the aborigines..

[paraclete]

You mean like you Australians have considered the aborigines...?

There is a vast difference between an educated person who has attained high office and a person who wants to live in the stone age. They are not inferior, they are misguided, they think being smashed out of their brain is a solution to their problems, maybe it is, they die earlier despite our efforts to prevent it

I doubt you have any idea of how to deal with a people who want to talk endlessly around a point, on the other hand, maybe you do

[smoothy]

there is a vast difference between an educated person who has attained high office and a person who wants to live in the stone age. They are not inferior, they are misguided, they think being smashed out of their brain is a solution to their problems, maybe it is, they die earlier dispite our efforts to prevent it

I doubt you have any idea of how to deal with a people who want to talk endlessly around a point, on the other hand, maybe you do

I am familiar enough with what they were forced to do "in their best interests" including taking kids from their families.

Muslims want to like in the 7th century... how are they any different? You don't do it to them.

[paraclete]

Give us time we did it to everyone not just aboriginees

[smoothy]

give us time we did it to everyone not just aboriginees

Personally given the option of living as an Aborigine... or under Muslim oppression stuck forever in the 7th century..

I'd pick living as an Aborigine

[paraclete]

Give us time, we do it to everyone, I am part of a stolen generation so don't preach to me

Recently it was suggested that aboriginal kids be removed to boarding schools, the aboriginal community was in favour of this because they recognise that the only way their kids will rise is to be out of the community where welfare and disadvantage is endemic. There is no clawing their way out of the slums for these people the jobs are hundreds of miles away or have impossible entry requirements.

You cannot sit in Washington or New York and think you have solutions for a stone age people, you don't even have solutions for your own people

[paraclete]

Personally given the option of living as an Aborigine....or under Muslim oppression stuck forever in the 7th century..

I'd pick living as an Aborigine

Yes beachcombing is more fun than wasting your time in a madrassa, but remember in either case you are going nowhere that is why so many pay dearly to catch a boat to this place

[smoothy]

give us time, we do it to everyone, I am part of a stolen generation so don't preach to me

Recently it was suggested that aboriginal kids be removed to boarding schools, the aboriginal community was in favour of this because they recognise that the only way their kids will rise is to be out of the community where welfare and disadvantage is endemic. There is no clawing their way out of the slums for these people the jobs are hundreds of miles away or have impossible entry requirements.

You cannot sit in Washington or New York and think you have solutions for a stone age people, you don't even have solutions for your own people

I'm holding a mirror up right now facing your direction in case you don't see it.

And incidentally... many of those cases the kids weren't removed with the parents permission or blessing.

And even then.. education is worthless unless they really want to do anything useful with it... and I'm betting they aren't anywhere near as enthusiastic about it as you higher evolved people that want to force it on them for their own good.

And there are more parallels that you may want to believe among the native Americans here... anyone that lives near a reservation can attest to that.

[paraclete]

And what do you see? Not me

[smoothy]

and what do you see? not me

The mirror is facing your way... I'm standing behind it.

And we have far bigger illegal immigrations problems than you have... because unlike you... we have far more routes available than just boats or airplanes.

[paraclete]

The mirror is facing your way...I'm standing behind it.

And we have far bigger illegal immigrations problems than you have.....because unlike you...we have far more routes available than just boats or airplanes.

Yes fences are hard to build, oceans are so convenient. You have a problem because you don't enforce laws, we have a problem because of your wars. Our problem is small but still very costly for a small nation, our illegal problems costs us at least $1 billion a year, not to mention the waste of resources and all to rescue ignorant people from their own foolishness
They don't like the way we treat them either, but lawbreakers they are.

This problem is not like our indigenous problem which also costs us Billions each year. We would leave them alone but for the doogooders offshore and they could beachcomb to their hearts content

[smoothy]

Yes fences are hard to build, oceans are so convenient. You have a problem because you don't enforce laws, we have a problem because of your wars. Our problem is small but still very costly for a small nation, our illegal problems costs us at least $1 billion a year, not to mention the waste of resources and all to rescue ignorant people from their own foolishness
they don't like the way we treat them either, but lawbreakers they are.

This problem is not like our indigenous problem which also costs us Billions each year. We would leave them alone but for the doogooders offshore and they could beachcomb to their hearts content

Really.. thats a pretty pathetic excuse... our wars...

Incidentally the last war we had that was in your back yard was WW2... and we didn't start that one.

[paraclete]

Really..thats a pretty pathetic excuse...our wars...

Incidentally the last war we had that was in your back yard was WW2...and we didn't start that one.

My answer to this crap got lost somewhere

I seem to hear Burl Ives singing down in the valley

Your wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have sent large numbers of refugees and illegal migrants our way, they insist on drowning themselves on flimsy boats and looking after them costs us over $1 billion a year no small cost for a small nation

[smoothy]

My answer to this crap got lost somewhere

I seem to hear Burl Ives singing down in the valley

your wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have sent large numbers of refugees and illegal migrants our way, they insist on drowning themselves on flimsy boats and looking after them costs us over $1 billion a year no small cost for a small nation

So help their leaky boats sink... you feed the sealife and you eliminate the immigration issue pretty easily.

And also.. WE didn't start anything in Iraq or Afghanistan... they started it... you need to review where you are getting your information from.


I'm curious about how the Afghanistands aare fleeing their country in boats... being it's a landlocked nation...

Than and its an aweful long trip from Iraq in a leaky boat bypassing a lot of other countries along the way... exactly what makes that our fault?

[paraclete]

Well it seems your map isn't wide enough but why would I be surprised that an american had a truncated view of the world. What happens is displaced people gather in camps in neighbouring countries, where they learn of a nation far from war and strife, perhaps they have relatives there. They migrate by land or aircraft, who can say, since money doesn't appear to be an issue, to Indonesia where they seek passage on a leaky boat to nowhere ultimately being plucked from the Indian Ocean into the waiting arms of our immigration department who will do their best to persuade them that they should go back.

Why are they displaced, because when you prosecuted your war against Afghanistan and Iraq you gave no thought to what would happen to the population