[tomder55]

Not content to advise you should blast off a couple of shots outside from your porch with a 12 gauge, Joe "Shotgun" Biden offers this advice:



I would hope you're damn sure of what's on the other side but hey...

Wait, isn't that that Pistorius guy's excuse, he shot through the door first and asked questions later?

Buy a Shotgun Joe Biden Lying AR-15 - YouTube

[talaniman]

And you honestly think Biden meant for you to shoot through the door if the doorbell rings?

[cdad]

And you honestly think Biden meant for you to shoot thru the door if the doorbell rings?

If that is what he said and if his shoot off the balcony didn't scare off an intruder. Than Im sure he meant what he said.

[speechlesstx]

And you honestly think Biden meant for you to shoot thru the door if the doorbell rings?

What does "shoot through the door" mean to you?

[Wondergirl]

What does "shoot through the door" mean to you?

To mean it means something said tongue in cheek. Note the context.

[tomder55]

I am sure he was quite serious .He's made the reference to shotguns on more than one occasion. The video was also accurate on a shot gun's recoil.

[Wondergirl]

I am sure he was quite serious .He's made the reference to shotguns on more than one occasion. The video was also accurate on a shot gun's recoil.

Of course, the skinny young women who were firing a shotgun in the video had absolutely no experience with a shotgun and did not expect and know how to predict and deal with the recoil. I personally will use my Mauser.

[cdad]

Of course, the skinny young women who were firing a shotgun in the video had absolutely no experience with a shotgun and did not expect and know how to predict and deal with the recoil. I personally will use my Mauser.

Lol

[smearcase]

The SEAL team that got bin laden (at least the last account I read says so) shot through the first door in that building that they came to and inflicted significant damage. But I can't conjure up a circumstance where a homeowner would do that. I have a camera on my front porch so I can see what is going on out there.
I could see someone about to ram the door but it could still be police out to make a raid-- and having gotten the wrong address, which happens more frequently than we would want to believe. I didn't see the reports or video but if the VP actually recommended shooting through a door not knowing for absolute certainty who it was on the other side-- he needs a serious mental exam.
Maybe in the case of a battered spouse who has been threatened repeatedly and it is well documented that they have made the threats and the victim knows they will be overpowered or out maneuvered if the "killer" gets in the house. But it always better if the perp is on the inside of the threshold when they come to get the body.

[speechlesstx]

To mean it means something said tongue in cheek. Note the context.

I read the context, he was dead serious... just as he was about shooting off the balcony.

[cdad]

The SEAL team that got bin laden (at least the last account I read says so) shot through the first door in that building that they came to and inflicted significant damage. But I can't conjure up a circumstance where a homeowner would do that. I have a camera on my front porch so I can see what is going on out there.
I could see someone about to ram the door but it could still be police out to make a raid-- and having gotten the wrong address, which happens more frequently than we would want to believe. I didn't see the reports or video but if the VP actually recommended shooting through a door not knowing for absolute certainty who it was on the other side-- he needs a serious mental exam.
Maybe in the case of a battered spouse who has been threatened repeatedly and it is well documented that they have made the threats and the victim knows they will be overpowered or out maneuvered if the "killer" gets in the house. But it always better if the perp is on the inside of the threshold when they come to get the body.

I know of a situation where the homeowner did exactly that. They killed the perp on the porch. No charges were filed as there was enough evidence to show a real threat. But it is not something I would "recomend" to anyone. Any responsible gun owner knows your responsible for wherever the bullet lands.

[smearcase]

From Castle Doctrine Protects Pennsylvanians' Rights | Pennsylvania Federal Criminal Defense Attorneys Blog date March 2012
"This past summer the governor extended the reach of the Castle Doctrine to mean that peoples' right to defend themselves could include places directly outside their homes, like the front porch. In the previous interpretation of the doctrine, Pennsylvania residents had to flee at the sign of danger in order to use deadly force for protection, but now self-defense is permitted without an attempt to escape."
One has to remember that the perp can shoot through the door also, which makes relatively cheap and easy to install cameras a good investment, so looking through a peephole or door glass is not necessary. Also makes it easy to record the perp's behavior on the front porch.
These castle doctrine type laws appear to be cut and dried, but there will be investigations to preclude the possibility of a set up for homicide, such as inviting someone to one's house, shooting them on the house side of the threshold, and claiming they attacked and caused a fear of one's life. The Martin case in FL shows that these laws aren't so cut and dried. Calling 911 and staying on the line so encounters are recorded (unless they hang up on you) can help document what went on also.
I should clarify too that the above quote led off with following quote (actually a confrontation which occurred on front porch):
"Recently a Pennsylvania man was involved in a violent incident with his wife's lover. He shot the man with a bow and arrow on the front porch of his home. The man struck with the arrow was fatally injured, but the shooter is protected by Pennsylvania's Castle Doctrine and criminal charges will not be filed against him. "

Also reinforces that guns aren't the only weapons or objects that can kill.

[smoothy]

Exactly.. the FIRST rule of gun safety... is being able to see and identify your target BEFORE pulling the trigger. Unless that door is glass or at least a glass panel in it, you don't meet that standard.

[smearcase]

Yesterday in Baltimore per Baltimore Sun:

"Robbers posed as police officers in Kingsville home invasion

10:30 p.m. EST, March 4, 2013
Baltimore County Police say an armed home invasion occurred Monday in the 7400 block of Mount Vista Road, Kingsville.

Police say that on March 4, at approximately 8:30 a.m., two armed men identifying themselves as police officers forced their way into a residence.

The suspects took numerous items, including an unknown amount of currency, police said. Two male victims were tied up and were eventually freed by a family member. One of the victims was transported to an area hospital, where he was treated for minor injuries.The two suspects, identified only as white males, fled the scene.

County police are warning residents to be cautious when answering their doors for persons identifying themselves as police officers. All officers should have proper identification in addition to a badge, police said. If residents have any doubt, they should call 911 or their police precinct and not open the door.

Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call 410-307-2020 or Metro Crime Stoppers at 1-877-7-Lockup. "

How do you deal with this situation?
Open the door armed and get shot by bad guys or maybe even by legit police.
Open the door unarmed and be immediately overpowered or shot?
Call 911 and hope they can check with one or more police agencies and get good info quickly, while good guy/bad guys? Break door down?
Do a Joe Biden through the door and hope for best?

The one above was done in broad daylight. But it's a fairly isolated spot even though in a metropolitan area. Good luck with that recommended ask for ID plan.

[paraclete]

My home is my castle as enshrined in the Magna Carta

[excon]

Hello again,

If I thought that current gun control proposals were designed to END crime, I wouldn't support them either.

I know a guy could kill a lot of people with a knife. Do you think he could kill 26?

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again,

If I thought that current gun control proposals were designed to END crime, I wouldn't support them either.

I know a guy could kill a lot of people with a knife. Do you think he could kill 26?

excon

What's wrong with the thousands of other regulations on the books already... how about they enforce those... or does the left really believe violent felons have the right to be free committing crimes?

Its clear in some states they do... arguing convicted criminals on Death row are having their rights violated by being executed... by the same people that feels its perfectly find and their constitutional right to execute their babies... and then have the gaul to argue the tax payers should pay for it.

[excon]

Hello smoothy:

Chill out, dude. I know you're mad, but try to focus on the question. Did you fail to answer because you KNOW a guy with knife couldn't kill 26 people?? That's a pretty good argument FOR gun control. Go smoothy..

excon

[smoothy]

Hello smoothy:

Chill out, dude. I know you're mad, but try to focus on the question. Did you fail to answer because you KNOW a guy with knife couldn't kill 26 people??? That's a pretty good argument FOR gun control. Go smoothy..

excon

Who said a guy with a knife couldn't kill 26 people? Hell... there were well over a million a year in the USA alone... Christian Life Resources

[speechlesstx]

Is there some magic number threshold we should be looking for?