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    #21

    Feb 24, 2013, 04:58 AM
    I have found that my morality is anchored in what I was taught as a child
    Exactly the same here.
    It has nothing to do with religion. I'm doing the same with my kids.
    To say you have "certainty" is BS though, that's why it's called a "belief".
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    #22

    Feb 24, 2013, 05:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Exactly the same here.

    To say you have "certainty" is BS though, that's why it's called a "belief".
    As I said you have an opinion
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    #23

    Feb 24, 2013, 05:17 AM
    No, I have certainty!
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    #24

    Feb 24, 2013, 06:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    No, I have certainty!
    You sure about that? What if you're wrong?
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    #25

    Feb 24, 2013, 02:33 PM
    It's Ok speech he is free to believe whatever B/S comes his way
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    #26

    Feb 24, 2013, 02:53 PM
    You sure about that? What if you're wrong?
    Wrong about what?
    Pascal's wager? That's no way to run your life.
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    #27

    Feb 24, 2013, 03:01 PM
    Ockams Razor
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    #28

    Feb 25, 2013, 06:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Wrong about what?
    Pascal's wager? That's no way to run your life.
    Neither is faith in certainty.
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    #29

    Feb 25, 2013, 06:47 AM
    Agreed. To each his own.
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    #30

    Feb 27, 2013, 07:49 AM
    Speaking of the bleeding obvious... guess where the economy is adding jobs?

    Texas Dominates The Best Cities For Good Jobs

    Earlier this month, Texas Gov. Rick Perry made a quick tour of California to remind business owners that life’s a whole lot easier in the Lone Star State. Perry’s California critics called him “Governor Oops” for his miscues during the presidential debates, and Gov. Jerry Brown dismissed the Texan’s recruiting drive as “not a burp,” and barely even a certain bodily release of gas.

    Laugh away, Californians. But Perry is playing the stronger hand here. Texas trounced the rest of the country our latest survey of the Best Cities for Good Jobs, with five metropolitan areas in the Top Ten, including the four best cities to find jobs in the next few years.

    This year’s winner is Dallas, which shrugged off the Nov. 2011 bankruptcy of American Airlines parent AMR Corp. to rack up 2.1% job growth last year and is projected to continue adding jobs at a 2.8% rate through 2019 – more than 300,000 on top of the 2.1 million already in Dallas and its Plano and Irving suburbs.
    Yes, I know what you're going to say, it's all burger flippers and Walmart checkers. Wrong.

    One explanation that is definitely false: Texas isn’t growing on the backs of underpaid, non-union workers. While Texas is a right-to-work state, many of the highest paying jobs in the Dallas area are with unionized defense manufacturers like Bell Helicopter and Lockheed Martin, which produces the F-35 Lightning II fighter at a mile-long plant in Fort Worth.

    Asked about the state’s reputation for union-busting and low-wage jobs, Dallas Federal Reserve Economist Pia Orrenius said “we get a lot of that.”

    “People say it’s all low-pay jobs, so I looked at employment growth by wage quartile,” she said. And guess what? Not only is the Dallas-area per-capita income of $39,548 comfortably above the national average of $37,000, but it’s growing fastest in the top half of wages above $16 an hour.
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    #31

    Feb 27, 2013, 08:33 AM
    I hear horizontal drilling and fracking has created many jobs in Tx . Meanwhile ,here in NY ,where the upsate rural areas have been depressed for years ;and are sitting on one of the largest natural gas finds in our history ;the Governor intentionally delays the decision about fracking .

    BTW ;the F-35 is a dog .
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    #32

    Feb 27, 2013, 08:47 AM
    I don't know why we needed the F-35, but at least it's being built here. Bell has expanded here in Amarillo as well, not only building the V-22 but upgrading Cobras and Hueys as well. And yep, the oil business is booming like I haven't seen in some time.
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    #33

    Feb 27, 2013, 08:53 AM
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    I And yep, the oil business is booming like I haven't seen in some time.
    That's only until Obama can find a way to shut down a private business on private property like he's done on public lands everywhere.
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    #34

    Feb 27, 2013, 01:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Speaking of the bleeding obvious...guess where the economy is adding jobs?



    Yes, I know what you're going to say, it's all burger flippers and Walmart checkers. Wrong.
    Top half? Not bad.The bottom half here earns a minimum wage of $16 per hour plus benefits under the National Wage Agreement.
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    #35

    Feb 27, 2013, 02:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Top half? Not bad.The bottom half here earns a minimum wage of $16 per hour plus benefits under the National Wage Agreement.
    $16 an hour with benefits; you fellows are living large over there.

    You might be interested to know our state government has now made it illegal to do any drilling for gas, fracking, etc within two kilometers of an urban area and for the record that's a conservative government
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    #36

    Feb 27, 2013, 02:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Top half? Not bad.The bottom half here earns a minimum wage of $16 per hour plus benefits under the National Wage Agreement.
    And how's the cost of living?
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    Feb 27, 2013, 03:19 PM
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    And how's the cost of living?
    If you are a family on that level you are struggling week to week and the cost spiral from energy is a real impact

    let's see

    $16 an hour = $640 before tax so $520 take home

    Mortgage or rent $300
    Food... $150
    Car... $100
    Medical
    Energy
    Clothing

    Oh yes living large
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    #38

    Feb 27, 2013, 03:38 PM
    Let me rephrase, what does $16 buy where Tut is compared to $16 in Texas?
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    #39

    Feb 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
    Can't speak for Texas but apparently the cost of living in some parts of the US is lower than here I have given you a sample of costs here if you are in a major city, forget it,

    What's a good comparison you can relate to; McDonalds meal $10; Pizza $8 city, $15 country.
    Cab Fare $15-$25. Fuel $7 gallon, Bread $4, eggs $4 dozen
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    #40

    Feb 27, 2013, 05:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    can't speak for Texas but apparently the cost of living in some parts of the US is lower than here I have given you a sample of costs here if you are in a major city, forget it,

    What's a good comparison you can relate to; McDonalds meal $10; Pizza $8 city, $15 country.
    Cab Fare $15-$25. Fuel $7 gallon, Bread $4, eggs $4 dozen
    Gas $3.39, McDonald's $5-$6, Bread $2.50, eggs $2.18 for XL.

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