[speechlesstx]

You're right, facts don't matter. If they did Obama would be toast. But I'll stay on the side of truth and you guys can support your liars and crooks and defrauding the people to get your way.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

.. to get your way.

"My ONE focus is to make Barack Obama a ONE term president." If THAT wasn't getting HIS/YOUR way, I'll eat my hat...

Like I said, PAYBACK is b1tch..

Here's a clue.. If you're going to play scorched earth politics, you better be SURE you win. You didn't. And, you're going DOWN..

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

"My ONE focus is to make Barack Obama a ONE term president." If THAT wasn't getting HIS/YOUR way, I'll eat my hat...

Like I said, PAYBACK is b1tch..

Here's a clue.. If you're gonna play scorched earth politics, you better be SURE you win. You didn't. And, you're goin DOWN..

excon

Like I said, ain't nothing wrong with wanting to beat the other guy. You forget the Bush years. The difference is we don't have the media machine on our side. If they did their job Obama would be toast.

[talaniman]

Why don't you have the media that's on YOUR side? If this is the center right country you say it is, where is your media voice? Don't blame our side for having something YOU guys don't have.

[tomder55]

Hello again, righty's:

All this is SMALL BALL.. Who invented it, doesn't matter. Who disavows it, doesn't matter. Who blames the other guy, doesn't matter.

Who the PUBLIC blames DOES matter, and right now it's the Republicans... Obama 2.0 is WINNING. Arguing that Jack Lew STARTED it AIN'T gonna save your right wing hide. You'll be lucky to HAVE a party in 2014.

excon

Not sure I want the Republic party as it is currently constructed . There is a disconnect between the base and the beltway leadership . Not sure it can be repaired. I don't want a party that thinks a massive nanny-state is OK if properly managed.
As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned - Forbes

[speechlesstx]

The media doesn't necessarily reflect the people's views. Heck, NBC is about half Obots now, and we didn't have debate moderators shilling for Obama on the "war on women" and such. But that's OK, you should proud about you've duped America. Very honorable...

[talaniman]

Maybe America is tired of the right wing deceptions. Maybe its time you faced the fact that more people reject you for your hollering and rhetoric, and policy actions than are deceived by US.

Maybe your ideas don't fit the rest of the country. Its possible and you should explore that possibility before you say or think its just most people are dumb, and easily duped.

[tomder55]

No ;most people are not represented . As Professor Codevilla wrote ;
The Republican Party never fully adapted itself to the fact that modern big government is an interest group in and of itself, inherently at odds with the rest of society, that it creates a demand for representation by those it alienates, and hence that politicians must choose whether to represent the rulers or the ruled.

[smoothy]

Maybe America is tired of the right wing deceptions. Maybe its time you faced the fact that more people reject you for your hollering and rhetoric, and policy actions than are deceived by US.

Maybe your ideas don't fit the rest of the country. Its possible and you should explore that possibility before you say or think its just most people are dumb, and easily duped.

America is most certainly tired of left wing deceptions... and yes... MOST of what they preach to the sheeple IS deception.

For example I REALLY want to know exactly where all these hordes of teachers that are going to be laid off are exactly I hear the brown blowhard bloviate about constantly... since schools are funded and supported by local property taxes... not Federal taxes. Something Owebama has NO control over.

[Wondergirl]

So why doesn't the Republican Party connect with Latinos, for instance, on a basic, family-values level -- strong two-parent families, daughters with enough self esteem that they don't have children before marriage, marriage (not simply living together) as a goal, good parenting from birth forward, wholesome activities for teens, and of course literacy/ESL.

[smoothy]

So why doesn't the Republican Party connect with Latinos, for instance, on a basic, family-values level -- strong two-parent families, daughters with enough self esteem that they don't have children before marriage, marriage (not simply living together) as a goal, good parenting from birth forward, wholesome activities for teens, and of course literacy/ESL.

Because most of them come from countries where democracy never existed... and the fact many are so poorly educated or badly informed enough they actually believe what they hear on the news is actually what really happens.

Something those of us who have spent nearly 30 years in and around the corridors and back rooms of all parts of the government know better. But they lack the perspective to know.

Poorly informed people are the easiest to deceive. And if you rely on the news in any of its forms... you are poorly informed. Because what you are told is carefully controlled by people with agendas.


And incidentally... its even worse in other countries.

[Wondergirl]

Because most of them come from countries where democracy never existed....and the fact many are so poorly educated or badly informed enough they actually believe what they hear on the news is actually what really happens.

Something those of us who have spent nearly 30 years in and around the corridors and back rooms of all parts of the government know better. But they lack the perspective to know.

Poorly informed people are the easiest to deceive. And if you rely on the news in any of its forms...you are poorly informed. Because what you are told is carefully controlled by people with agendas.

So change their minds and hearts. Use the public library as a jumping off point. Mobilize Republicans to start those changes and get those boots on the ground!

[smoothy]

So change their minds and hearts. Use the public library as a jumping off point. Mobilize Republicans to start those changes and get those boots on the ground!

To be honest... its way too big of a problem for me to even think about taking on.

That and I really am not passionate enough about it to be willing to deal with everything that goes with it. It will make you a lightning rod for all sorts of attention you really don't want or need by people you really don't want it from. And I know way too well what resources they have and their tactics.

That and I have too many other things I enjoy going on. That would be a full time job.

Sometimes people get what they deserve... usually for the worse... and we are right in the middle of that now.

[tomder55]

Probably not going to happen... instead we gots Rockefeller wing Repubics like Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie planning on beating down any grass roots efforts before it blossoms. In that effort they have a willing accomplice in Speaker Bonehead who led 1/3 of his caucus to side with the House Dems in January to pass higher taxes and more subsidies for Democratic constituencies. Two thirds voted no... doing what their constituents sent them to Washington to do.

[talaniman]

Are you saying your right wing representatives in the house is UNDER represented? And they are the only ones in the house whose votes should be counted?

Maybe that kind of thinking is the problem. One third cannot over rule TWO thirds of the house no matter how noisy the minority is. Its simple vote Karl Rove out! Oh sorry, you can't! Well vote Bonehead out! You don't seem to be able to do that either.

That's the lame stream medias fault too! You guys need a media all your own to get your own civil war out of the shadows

[tomder55]

Read the Professor Angelo Codevilla link.. . That was a follow-up to a very important essay he wrote in 2010. I'll re-post both .
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/0...-class-and-the

As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned - Forbes

Your party isn't immune either . Codevilla states in his latest piece that 2/3 of the country has no representation in the government at all, and that is not a stable situation.There is in fact little difference between the establishment parties. They both compete for the power to manage the nanny-state without questioning the logic of having a Hobbesian Leviathan model .

It is not just the Repubics that are in crisis .Currently the only difference is that the President is holding a fragile coalition together with promises that will never come to fruition , [ promises to more equally divide a shrinking pie instead of growing the pie];and of course the demonization of the opposition. The threads that bind then will fray when the promises are not delivered.

[Tuttyd]

read the Professor Angelo Codevilla link .. . That was a follow-up to a very important essay he wrote in 2010. I'll re-post both .
The American Spectator : America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution

That's funny. Wasn't there someone here posting exactly the same type of argument as Codevilla?

Wasn't this person posting this stuff over an extended period before the Codevilla argument came to light at AMHD?

[tomder55]

Tut if you made such an argument then kudos to you . I don't recall you speaking of the Country class and how they are being shut out of the political process by those who claim to represent them . Perhaps I overlooked that while reading your logic 101 tutorials .

[paraclete]

Perhaps he was talking about you tom

[smoothy]

Part of the problem is the left wingers with what they DON'T teach by choice in the public schools...

20 Of The Most Embarrassing Moments In The History Of The Democrat Party - John Hawkins - [page]

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For example, one will virtually never hear that the Palmer Raids, Prohibition, or American eugenics were thoroughly progressive phenomena. These are sins America itself must atone for. Meanwhile, real or alleged “conservative” misdeeds — say McCarthyism — are always the exclusive fault of conservatives and a sign of the policies they would repeat if given power. The only culpable mistake that liberals make is failing to fight “hard enough” for their principles. Liberals are never responsible for historic misdeeds because they feel no compulsion to defend the inherent goodness of America. Conservatives, meanwhile, not only take the blame for events not of their own making that they often worked the most assiduously against, but find themselves defending liberal misdeeds in order to defend America herself. -- Jonah Goldberg

1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson and his successor Martin Van Buren, herded Indians into camps, tormented them, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate with minimal supplies. Thousands died along the way.

2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War.

3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK.

4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor."

5) The American Protective League and The Palmer Raids (1919-1921): Under the leadership of Woodrow Wilson, criticizing the government became a crime and a fascist organization, the American Protective League was formed to spy on and even arrest fellow Americans for being insufficiently loyal to the government. More than 100,000 Americans were arrested, with less than 1% of them ever being found guilty of any kind of crime.

6) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer's (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure."

7) The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (1932-1972): Contrary to what you may have heard, Democrats in Alabama did not give black Americans syphilis. However, the experimenters did know that subjects of the experiment unknowingly had syphilis and even after it was proven that penicillin could be used to effectively treat the disease in 1947, the experiments continued. As a result, a number of the subjects needlessly infected their loved ones and died, when they could have been cured.

8) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order that led to more than 100,000 Japanese Americans being put into "bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards."

9) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950): Hiss, who helped advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left, turned out to be a Soviet spy. He was convicted of perjury in 1950 (Sadly, the statute of limitations on espionage had run out), but was defended by liberals for decades until the Verona papers proved so conclusively that he was guilty that even most his fellow liberals couldn't continue to deny it.

10) The West Virginia Democrat primary is rigged by John F. Kennedy (1960): From an interview with the late, great Robert Novak.

John Hawkins: You also said that without question, John F. Kennedy rigged the West Virginia Democratic primary in (1960), but that the Wall Street Journal killed the story. Do you think that sort of thing is still occurring with great regularity and do you wish the Journal had reported the story when it happened?

Robert Novak: In my opinion, they should have. They sent two reporters down to West Virginia for six weeks and they came back with a carefully documented story on voter fraud in West Virginia, buying votes, and how he beat Humphrey in the primary and therefore got the nomination. But, Ed Kilgore, the President of Dow Jones and publisher of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative man, said it wasn't the business of the Wall Street Journal to decide the nominee of the Democratic Party and he killed the story. That story didn't come out for many, many years — 30-40 years. It was kept secret all that time.

11) The Bay of Pigs (1961): After training a Cuban militia to overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men all the air support they were promised. As a result, they were easily defeated by Castro's men and today, Cuba is still ruled by a hostile, anti-American dictatorship.

12) Fire Hoses And Attack Dogs Used On Children (1963): Birmingham, Alabama's notorious Commissioner of Public Safety, Democrat Bull Connor, used attack dogs and fire hoses on children and teenagers marching for civil rights. Ultimately, thousands of them would also be arrested.

13) Stand In The Schoolhouse Door (1963): Democrat George Wallace gave his notorious speech against integrating schools at the University of Alabama in which he said, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."

14) Escalation In Vietnam (1964): Lyndon Johnson dramatically escalated our troops' presence in Vietnam while he simultaneously put political restrictions in place that made the war unwinnable. As a result, 58,000 Americans died in a war that ultimately achieved none of its aims.

15) Chappaquid (1969): The Democrats' beloved "Liberal Lion" of the Senate, Ted Kennedy ran off the road into a tidal pool with passenger Mary Jo Kopechne in the car. Kennedy swam free and then spent 9 hours plotting how he would reveal the news to the press while she slowly suffocated to death.

16) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, cut off all of its funding, cut off all of its ammunition, and sent a signal to the world that the United States had abandoned its allies." -- Newt Gingrich

17) The Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981): 52 Americans were held hostage by the government of Iran for 444 days. After Jimmy Carter's disastrous, failed rescue attempt, the hostages were finally released after Ronald Reagan's inaugural address.

18) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996): In Bill Clinton's own words, "'Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.' — Bill Clinton explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business group why he turned down Sudan's offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996." Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have likely never happened.

19) Bill Clinton was impeached (1998): Clinton became only the 2nd President in American history to be impeached after he lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn't survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.