[tomder55]

Harris is dead... his luck ran out . Militias are one clause of the 2nd . The other one ;quite explicit is the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

[paraclete]

You keep selectively quoting the clause without putting it in context. It is as if by saying it enough you make your point of veiw absolute truth. The point of the clause is to maintain a militia, back in the days when they couldn't afford a standing army or police force, and in any case, there was the tyranny of distance to consider. As I have said before Tom, ad nausium, these are different days

[smoothy]

You keep selectively quoting the clause without putting it in context. It is as if by saying it enough you make your point of veiw absolute truth. The point of the clause is to maintain a militia, back in the days when they couldn't afford a standing army or police force, and in any case, there was the tyranny of distance to consider. As I have said before Tom, ad nausium, these are different days

They HAD an army back in the day... the Militia were private citizens... more like the national guard.

And it specified BOTH the right to have a Militia AND the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.

By that argument.. were does it grant the people the freedom of speech? You can't define the first one way and the second under different criteria.

Not if you expect to have any credibility.

[Wondergirl]

the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.

And their reason to say that was?

[smoothy]

And their reason to say that was?

To prevent a Tyrannical government from returning like the one they fought a war to get away from in England.

An armed populace would never allow it... or at least before the moral decay of certain groups that are too lazy to move to a country that has such a government that they rather have an oppressive government here.

Gorilla warfare was important in the Revolutionary war... it wasn't just the Regular army fighting it.

[Wondergirl]

To prevent a Tyrannical government from returning like the one they fought a war to get away from in England.

(I was writing more and accidentally kicked myself offline.)

And who will lead this effort? (Seems like the Republicans in the House are doing a great job of stymieing things minus the guns. Our system of government works quite well.)

[smoothy]

(I was writing more and accidentally kicked myself offline.)

And who will lead this effort? (Seems like the Republicans in the House are doing a great job of stymieing things minus the guns. Our system of government works quite well.)

Don't NEED a leader to be effective... the need might never arise.. but the way things are heading the last few years.. there likely will be.

[Wondergirl]

Don't NEED a leader to be effective...the need might never arise..but the way things are heading the last few years..there likely will be.

If the right would get their act together and do it right (ha ha, that's funny), they could clean up the place. Unfortunately, I'm not in politics to tell them how to do this and be their leader. (Yes, they desperately need a leader.)

[smoothy]

Well... the sad thing is so few people understand the old saying "...those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it."

Gun control and confiscations preceded the worst atrocities in the last several hundred years. Yes the British tried it here before the beginning of the revolutionary war too... for the same reason as all the others... an unarmed populace is a populace that can be oppressed.

[Wondergirl]

an unarmed populace is a populace that can be oppressed.

Well, the US sure has that covered!

[smoothy]

Well, the US sure has that covered!

For now they do... The Obama worshipers want to impose gun confiscation.. (they have actually said that much) Barbara Fienstein is on record for just one. So Obama can declare himself emperor and throw out the constitution.

There is no other justification for disarming the people.

No I don't implicitly trust any politician.

[Wondergirl]

For now they do....The Obama worshipers want to impose gun confiscation..(they have actually said that much) Barbara Fienstein is on record for just one. So Obama can declare himself emperor and throw out the constitution.

That is simply not true. No one is going to disarm anyone or confiscate guns. There is no way anyone could recall 300+M guns and get away with it.

[smoothy]

That is simply not true. No one is going to disarm anyone or confiscate guns. There is no way anyone could recall 300+M guns and get away with it.

They are dumb enough to try to do it... many of them will do anything their Messiah Lord Obama tells them to do... they already believe everything he tells them to believe. Reminds me of the Followers of Pol Pot. And Mao. Look at how many people revered Stalin... even after killing over 20 million of his own people.

I didn't say they could get away with it without serious bloodshed... but they aren't smart enough to understand how seriously most of us take our second amendment rights.

I know very few people that would hand over anything, OR even register anything (the only reason for that is to know who has what so they can go after them)... and quite a few that if they went door to door trying... a lot of them won't be going home again.

[Wondergirl]

They are dumb enough to try to do it........many of them will do anything their Messiah Lord Obama tells them to do

He won't be telling anyone to do that, now or ever. And he won't allow anyone else to do it in his stead.

You've got lots of "them"s and "they"s in your post, Not sure who this paranoia is leveled at.

[smoothy]

He won't be telling anyone to do that, now or ever. And he won't allow anyone else to do it in his stead.

You've got lots of "them"s and "they"s in your post,. Not sure who this paranoia is leveled at.

The sheeple that believed the propaganda that expect their free Obama money now...

You didn't listen to any of his recent anti-gun rants, have you? He very much IS calling for taking away our guns... he and his minions have been very explicit about that.

[Wondergirl]

You didn't listen to any of his recent anti-gun rants, have you? He very much IS calling for taking away our guns...he and his minions have been very explicit about that.

I've listened to every word he has said. Do not be afraid.

And I am not a sheeple.

[paraclete]

For now they do....The Obama worshipers want to impose gun confiscation..(they have actually said that much) Barbara Fienstein is on record for just one. So Obama can declare himself emperor and throw out the constitution.

There is no other justification for disarming the people.

No I don't implicitly trust any politician.

Have you stopped to think that the motivation is to protect the people, to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Obama doesn't want to declare himself Emperor and even if he did, an armed population will help him, not hinder him. As soon as there is an armed insurrection, he has the mandate to declare martial law. Twice in your history an armed population has led to a civil war, with devastating consequences. On one occasion the rebels won, on the other they did not. Get out of the romance and into reality

[smoothy]

have you stopped to think that the motivation is to protect the people, to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Obama doesn't want to declare himself Emperor and even if he did, an armed population will help him, not hinder him. As soon as there is an armed insurrection, he has the mandate to declare martial law. Twice in your history an armed population has led to a civil war, with devistating consequences. On one occasion the rebels won, on the other they did not. get out of the romance and into reality

There is NO legitimate motive to circumvent the Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

Any such action is nothing short of Treason.

But then... you've never lived in a nation with a real Constitution, one that wasn't written in pencil.

[paraclete]

Is that right, well it happens that the Constitution of this nation was written having due reference to what had transpired on the other side of the Pacific. We took the good parts of your Constitution and left the rest, and we don't suffer from lead poisoning here. Strange that?
Our pencil constitution, as you put it, has allowed us to throw out a bad government on its ear, mid term, something your constitution would never allow you to accomplish. We don't spend our time debating our rights, we don't spend our time stumbling from one election to the next, We get on with what is important not batting a depression caused by, guess who? The people with all the rights

[smoothy]

Right... a constitution written in pencil... one that any group of nuts that get enough people elected can change on a whim...

Meaning anything written on it.. isn't worth the paper its written on if it can be changed so easily...

Wait until the next bunch decides to do away with elections because the people can't be trusted to vote... you know... like the people can't be trusted to have guns.

You don't battle about rights because you have none... except what they decide to let you have at any given moment.