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    #61

    Jan 30, 2013, 05:28 PM
    Didn't Kerry violate the Logan act when he went to Paris while still in the Navy to negotiate independently with the enemy ? I think he did.
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    Jan 30, 2013, 06:02 PM
    Here comes another brick-bat
    Well that will be a great point to bring up when he becomes a candidate again, how is it all those anti-communists haven't arranged his prosecution yet, or would you like to begin the persecution now?
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    #63

    Jan 30, 2013, 06:13 PM
    I think that because of the extreme movement of the Left so much more to the left that the Right just seems more conservative. The Left is taking this country to places that will be nearly impossible to correct unless we have a full Republican/Conservative Administration and Congress to remove those damaging moves . WE as voters need to contact our respective representatives and tell them our concerns. And not just one or two items. Let them know your interest in everything that you do not feel is being done right. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. They work for us. This administration just started this thing where petitions can be sent to the White House (with a minimum of 100,000 signatures) for their perusal. So far, this administration has dismissed anything that does not line up with their agenda. This is not how our right to redress should be handled. Until we can get millions of people on board with one of these petitions, they will continue to do as they wish and not what the American public and taxpayers think is better for us.
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    #64

    Jan 30, 2013, 06:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman2007 View Post
    I think that because of the extreme movement of the Left so much more to the left that the Right just seems more conservative. The Left is taking this country to places that will be nearly impossible to correct unless we have a full Republican/Conservative Administration and Congress to remove those damaging moves . WE as voters need to contact our respective representatives and tell them our concerns. And not just one or two items. Let them know your interest in everything that you do not feel is being done right. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. They work for us. This administration just started this thing where petitions can be sent to the White House (with a minimum of 100,000 signatures) for their perusal. So far, this administration has dismissed anything that does not line up with their agenda. This is not how our right to redress should be handled. Until we can get millions of people on board with one of these petitions, they will continue to do as they wish and not what the American public and taxpayers think is better for us.
    It would be good if this were possible, but sadly it is not the case.

    As I was trying to tell Tom in a previous post. The "ruling elites" don't just rule. In any hierarchical system who gets to rule is decided by allegiances formed or dissolved. One role of government is to be the power broker.

    Organizations and companies being favoured or not favoured (depending on the persuasion of the government in power). When we vote we get to determine who the government brokers are going to be. Unfortunately, the voter does little more than fulfill this role.


    What makes it even worse is that more and more draft legislation is being formulated by organizations who are outside of the political process.
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    Jan 30, 2013, 06:50 PM
    Yes, the President can introduce a proposal but as stated, it is very, very rare that a sitting president would author an entire bill. Oh One More thins,, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus?? Where is the Congressional White Caucus??
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    Jan 30, 2013, 07:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman2007 View Post
    Until we can get millions of people on board with one of these petitions, they will continue to do as they wish and not what the American public and taxpayers think is better for us.
    I think you miss the point of elections, while you might think the majority think this way or that, that is rhetorical. In the election the majority of voters endorsed the president's platform, that the distribution of the seats in the house doesn't reflect this can be a reflection of local issues. You have a first past the post voting system, this doesn't mean more than 50% voted in favour of each candidate elected
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    #67

    Jan 30, 2013, 07:11 PM
    Sorry you guys missed the last election but there is another one next year. Be there or be losers again.

    Hope you have better luck catching the Super Bowl Sunday.
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    #68

    Jan 31, 2013, 03:32 AM
    Sore losers are everywhere, let's hope it doesn't overpower good sense this time
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    #69

    Jan 31, 2013, 06:26 AM
    Hello H:

    Where is the Congressional White Caucus??
    There isn't one, because having one would be VERY offensive. I understand that you don't understand that, so let's just leave it at that.

    Excon
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    Jan 31, 2013, 06:41 AM
    Where is the Congressional White Caucus??
    On Wall Street, and the Cayman Islands.
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    #71

    Jan 31, 2013, 06:47 AM
    I find the terms Black Caucus and Hispanic Caucus offensive and racist... on THEIR part.
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    #72

    Jan 31, 2013, 06:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman2007 View Post
    I find the terms Black Caucus and Hispanic Caucus offensive and racist...on THEIR part.
    Well of course they are, racism hasn't left yet, there is just a thin veneer of PC
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    Jan 31, 2013, 07:08 AM
    Hello again, H:

    I find the terms Black Caucus and Hispanic Caucus offensive and racist... on THEIR part.
    Like I said, you don't have an understanding of the issues..

    Excon
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    #74

    Jan 31, 2013, 07:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, H:

    Like I said, you don't have an understanding of the issues..

    excon
    I understand it, ever since desegregation blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc.have voluntarily segregated themselves.Except non-Hispanic whites that is, you won't find a congressional white caucus, a white dormitory at college, a United Caucasian College Fund, A National Association for the Advancement of White People...
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    #75

    Jan 31, 2013, 07:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman2007 View Post
    Yes, the President can introduce a proposal but as stated, it is very, very rare that a sitting president would author an entire bill. Oh One More thins,,,,the Congressional Hispanic Caucus??? Where is the Congressional White Caucus???
    We can't have one because that would be racist.
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    #76

    Jan 31, 2013, 07:30 AM
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    well of course they are, racism hasn't left yet, there is just a thin veneer of PC
    What thin veneer?. most racism these days is practiced by the Black AND the Hispanic communities, not Whites.
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    Jan 31, 2013, 07:38 AM
    There is already have a white caucus, in not only government, but every other institution in the country. There is also political parties that represents white interests,its called the republican party,with rich white guys, and the TParty, with middle class white people with rich guys giving money for elections locally, and nationally.

    I understand it, ever since desegregation blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc.have voluntarily segregated themselves
    I wonder why that would be that every non white, and female would run like hell from you? Any clues?

    What thin veneer?. most racism these days is practiced by the Black AND the Hispanic communities, not Whites.
    It isn't racism, its self defense. I didn't think you had a clue!
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    #78

    Jan 31, 2013, 07:41 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    I understand it, ever since desegregation blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc.have voluntarily segregated themselves
    What do you call a gated community?

    Excon
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    #79

    Jan 31, 2013, 07:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    There is already have a white caucus, in not only government, but every other institution in the country. There is also political parties that represents white interests,its called the republican party,with rich white guys, and the TParty, with middle class white people with rich guys giving money for elections locally, and nationally.
    Bullsh*t. The only white caucus is Obama's inner circle.

    I wonder why that would be that every non white, and female would run like hell from you? Any clues?
    I don't see anyone running from me, they LOVE me.
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    Jan 31, 2013, 07:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    What do you call a gated community??

    excon
    I call it a gated community.

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