[speechlesstx]

By the way, I'm glad all those Sandra Flukes are thrilled with getting free birth control, even though their paycheck is smaller and it's not so free for others.

[talaniman]

All I know is all this effort by the left to bring us together by separating everyone by special interest group is counterproductive.

While at the same time your right wing special interest groups are pushing your own agenda too, like banning abortions by making special rules on the clinics and doctors and forcing people to read the bible and counselled how wrong they are.

While abortions are legal. For sure your way isn't bring us together either. Now what?

[speechlesstx]

While at the same time your right wing special interest groups are pushing your own agenda too, like banning abortions by making special rules on the clinics and doctors and forcing people to read the bible and counselled how wrong they are.

While abortions are legal. For sure your way isn't bring us together either. Now what?

No one is forcing anybody to read the bible, but I'll take being a defender of the most innocent human life any day over defending the right to kill babies.

[talaniman]

Seem you should be with me on educating and showing all women the proper use of contracepion and make it as easy to get as possible since I think that's one of the best ways to prevent abortions no matter when you believe a baby, is a baby.

State Trends for 2011 on Abortion, Family Planning, Sex Education and Insurance

RCRC - "I'm a Fan of Birth Control"

[speechlesstx]

I guess you missed one of the 29 times I said access to birth control was not an issue, in fact use among American women was almost universal according to the CDC. But now thanks to your president poor women with no insurance are paying more as of Jan. 1.

[talaniman]

I disagree as access is the issue along with knowledge and education. There are obstacles to all these things being workable and efficient as a whole.

As far as the tax holiday for us middle class voters being over with. I am sad too. But this isn't my first time adjusting my budget because of government changes.

Still reading upon those religious groups peddling misinformation and masquerading as government funded independent abortion counselors though.

[speechlesstx]

I disagree as access is the issue

Wrong Bucko, I posted the link more than once where the CDC said access was NOT an issue which is why I keep calling the mandate a disease in search of a cure. It is an issue now for women with no insurance because the price just escalated.

Still reading upon those religious groups peddling misinformation and masquerading as government funded independent abortion counselors though.

You're looking for the exception, not the rule and women go there or not of their own free will. It's called CHOICE.

[talaniman]

I will pass over the BUCKO inference and point out that the CDC's position is there are many forms of contraceptives available but if you don't have a doctor or the insurance to see one then you have hardly any accesss to them and without insurance the price may not be affordable. That's what the mandate is about, having access.

I can go with choice but it also has to be acurate information to make an informed decision and not some activist saying its against god rules.

http://www.dovechristiancounseling.com/Abortion.html

It is obvious from the above scriptures that God abhors abortion and considers it to be MURDER. And the liberal media and politicians and feminists who try to tell you otherwise are ignoring what God says about it. Not only that, those who help a woman get an abortion will pay for it in the next life.


THOU SHALT NOT MURDER is VERY CLEAR. And if you murder an innocent child you will end up in hell. So if you are trying to decide whether to abort your baby or not, the clear answer is NO. Save not only your babies life, but your life as well. For when you kill your child you also eternally kill yourself. The choice is yours. If you do not believe in God or the Bible and think you can kill another human being with no consequences you will find out you are wrong.


Not only that, but women who have already had abortions become very depressed and even suicidal years later. Many of them end up in counselors offices unable to live with their sin. It affects them the rest of their lives.



There are too many loving adults who cannot have children who would love to adopt your baby. Even if you were raped, DO NOT MURDER the baby inside you as it is entirely innocent. Have the baby and put it up for adoption. So you do have an alternative.



If you have already had an abortion then you can confess that as a sin before God and ask God to forgive you of the sin of abortion. If you do this, and are sincere, He will forgive you and you will not end up in hell when you die.

This isn't an exception, it's the religious right wing. They should go to Planned Parenthood of their own free will to. Their CHOICE.

[speechlesstx]

I will pass over the BUCKO inference and ask if they are soaccessible as you say,then why they are not used more widely?

What part of “Contraceptive use in the United States is virtually universal among women of reproductive age" do you not understand?

Why did the price escalate?

Gee, Obama mandates "free" contraceptives and his buddies in the pharmacy industry wouldn't raise the price on a guaranteed sale?

P.S. I'm sure that had at least a small part in insurance rates going up by double digits. Obama bent the cost curve all right, sharply upward.

[talaniman]

The flaw in your logic is male condoms are included in that universal tag, as are other methods of birth control, like the withdrawal method and sterilization. Oral contraceptive require a doctor visit prescription and insurance, costly to poor people, but you tie the president to rising costs? Now that's a joke since you are fine with rich guys having the right to get rich as they see fit.

Costs for health care has been rising unchecked for 20 years before Obama showed up my friend. Pull out some old pay stubs if you don't believe me.

[speechlesstx]

The flaw in your logic is male condoms are included in that universal ta.

The flawed logic is you don't comprehend the words "among women."

[Wondergirl]

The flawed logic is you don't comprehend the words "among women."

Women are to provide condoms at encounters?

[talaniman]

Contraceptive method


Female sterilization...
Male sterilization...
All methods other than sterilization...
Injectable...
Pill...
Male condom............................
Withdrawal...
Periodic abstinence...
Spermicides...

Do you read your own links, condoms are mention through out. Page 4 [ Series 23, No. 29

[speechlesstx]

Do you read your own links, condoms are mention thru out. Page 4 [ Series 23, No. 29

What part of any of that changes the meaning of "Contraceptive use in the United States is virtually universal among women of reproductive age"? Nothing.

[speechlesstx]

I think tom asked this the other day, but when will Obama end his war on women?

Obama’s failure to nominate women for two top Cabinet posts questioned

President Obama brought his top Pentagon and Central Intelligence Agency chiefs together Monday with their potential replacements, and some critics noticed one thing that stood out: Each of them was a white man.

Personally I think the NAACP, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson should be outraged as well, the racism in nominating three white guys in a row is obvious.

[talaniman]

What part of any of that changes the meaning of "Contraceptive use in the United States is virtually universal among women of reproductive age"? Nothing.

What part of poor people use rubbers because they can't afford pills, doctors, or insurance is it you don't get?

Personally I think the NAACP, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson should be outraged as well, the racism in nominating three white guys in a row is obvious.

The race card? Or a white guy telling 4 black guys what they should think, or do?

[speechlesstx]

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What part of poor people use rubbers because they can't afford pills, doctors, or insurance is it you don't get?

Some people don't like to take pills, but you have yet to offer any wisdom that invalidates the meaning of "Contraceptive use in the United States is virtually universal among women of reproductive age." The mandate was a cure in search of a disease.

The race card? Or a white guy telling 4 black guys what they should think, or do?

Come on Tal, try to stick with the facts. I know it's difficult to acknowledge that Obama pays his increasing number of white male buddies better than his wimmen.

[tomder55]

Heck ;even the Compost notices .

Obama’s Cabinet diversity in danger with new picks - In the Loop - The Washington Post

[talaniman]

LOL, you really are stubborn, or stuck, I don't know which, but you dispute your own facts in the link YOU provided that includes condoms,and spermacides and that's what makes contraceptives universally available.

I gave you a link to the job descriptions and titles as well as the pay, and they were well within equal work for equal pay standards so your race baiting is plain silly.

Heck ;even the Compost notices .

Obama’s Cabinet diversity in danger with new picks - In the Loop - The Washington Post

Also from your link...

Of course, there’s still time for the picture to change. There’s only been one official nomination and the game of second-term musical chairs is barely underway.

[tomder55]

Yeah of course the Compost was giving it the best spin. But there is no reason to assume he won't go into his 2nd term with an all white male cadre of advisors.