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    #281

    Jan 4, 2013, 10:43 AM
    it does invalidate any notion of objective journalism .
    I know, so we apply that same conclusion to Fox News.
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    #282

    Jan 4, 2013, 10:44 AM
    It's an anti-anxiety drug, very addictive.
    Thanks. Not sure why he recommends I take that. I don't have any anxiety. Oh well.
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    #283

    Jan 4, 2013, 10:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I know, so we apply that same conclusion to Fox News.
    Try the Xanax.
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    #284

    Jan 4, 2013, 10:53 AM
    I assume it's because you are familiar with it. How does it help you?
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    #285

    Jan 4, 2013, 11:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I assume it's because you are familiar with it. How does it help you?
    OK, try the Prozac.
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    #286

    Jan 4, 2013, 11:31 AM
    I don't take anything and I like it that way. :)
    Rolling around with the kids in the snow after work and a few glasses of wine tonight does me fine. Maybe the wife will be randy tonight... :D
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    #287

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:19 PM
    Not only are they a hazard to clean up and not that eco-friendly, those CFL bulbs can cause skin cancer.
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    #288

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Maybe the wife will be randy tonight... :D
    Hmmm, my brother in law is named Randy too.
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    #289

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:24 PM
    Oh dear... now I have to get that image out of my head. LOL

    Well played. :)
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    #290

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:27 PM
    CFL bulbs can cause skin cancer.
    More exaggeration and hyperbole and FUD. Try reading the article.
    BTW the sun can cause cancer too. Better never leave the indoors, you're safer there.
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    #291

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    More exaggeration and hyperbole and FUD. Try reading the article.
    BTW the sun can cause cancer too. Better never leave the indoors, you're safer there.
    Nope, just science. I thought you liked science.

    At Stony Brook’s Advanced Energy Research and Technology Center (AERTC), the team took the same bulbs and studied the effects of exposure on healthy human skin tissue cells, including: fibroblasts, a type of cell found in connective tissue that produces collagen; and keratinocytes, an epidermal cell that produces keratin, the key structural material in the outer layer of human skin. Tests were repeated with incandescent light bulbs of the same intensity and with the introduction of Titanium Dioxide (TiO2) nanoparticles, which are found in personal care products normally used for UV absorption.

    “Our study revealed that the response of healthy skin cells to UV emitted from CFL bulbs is consistent with damage from ultraviolet radiation,” said Professor Rafailovich. “Skin cell damage was further enhanced when low dosages of TiO2 nanoparticles were introduced to the skin cells prior to exposure.” Rafailovich added that incandescent light of the same intensity had no effect on healthy skin cells, with or without the presence of TiO2.

    “Despite their large energy savings, consumers should be careful when using compact fluorescent light bulbs,” said Professor Rafailovich. “Our research shows that it is best to avoid using them at close distances and that they are safest when placed behind an additional glass cover.”
    But hey, we're saving the planet from incandescents.
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    #292

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:47 PM
    Yea I love science and I'm smart enough to read the articles without knee-jerking. Apparently a glass cover (which most bulb use situations use) kills the risk. Wow, that's pretty intense stuff. It's the same as saying put on sunscreen on bare skin when in the bright sunlight... except in this case they don't mention any damaging results.
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    #293

    Jan 4, 2013, 12:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Yea I love science and I'm smart enough to read the articles without knee-jerking. Apparently a glass cover (which most bulb use situations use) kills the risk. Wow, that's pretty intense stuff. It's the same as saying put on sunscreen on bare skin when in the bright sunlight...except in this case they don't mention any damaging results.
    The only one who's knee is jerking today is yours in response to nearly every post I make. Find another obsession, something less creepy.
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    #294

    Jan 4, 2013, 01:28 PM
    I just checked and all my lamps have shades. They always did so I hope that can save me.
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    #295

    Jan 4, 2013, 01:45 PM
    But the sun doesn't have a shade!!
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    #296

    Jan 4, 2013, 02:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I just checked and all my lamps have shades. They always did so I hope that can save me.
    Just don't break one.
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    Jan 4, 2013, 03:01 PM
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    Just don't break one.
    And if you do I hope you know some good hazmat teams .


    Here Is a simple Do it yourself clean up of a broken bulb :

    How should I clean up a broken fluorescent bulb?
    Because CFLs contain a small amount of mercury, EPA recommends the following clean-up and
    Disposal guidelines:

    1. Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room

    • Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage
    Area on their way out.
    • Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
    • Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.

    2. Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces

    • Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place
    Them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
    • Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass pieces and
    Powder.
    • Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the
    Glass jar or plastic bag.
    • Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

    3. Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug:

    • Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
    Canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
    • Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and
    Powder.
    • If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where
    The bulb was broken.
    • Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum
    Debris in a sealed plastic bag.

    4. Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding, etc.:

    • If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-
    Containing powder from inside the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or
    Bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or bedding because mercury
    Fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.
    • You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the
    Mercury vapor from a broken CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you
    Cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not come into direct contact with
    The materials from the broken bulb.
    • If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from
    The bulb, wipe them off with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the
    Towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for disposal.

    5. Disposal of Clean-up Materials

    • Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area
    For the next normal trash pickup.
    • Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
    • Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific
    Area. Some states do not allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken
    And unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.

    6. Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming

    • The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning
    System and open a window before vacuuming.
    • Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least
    15 minutes after vacuuming is completed
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    #298

    Jan 4, 2013, 03:29 PM
    My flouros have just fizzled without breaking, how should I dispose of these environmentally dangerous products?
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    #299

    Jan 4, 2013, 03:51 PM
    No problem.


    Recycling and Disposal After a CFL Burns Out

    EPA recommends that consumers take advantage of available local options for recycling CFLs, fluorescent bulbs and other bulbs that contain mercury, and all other household hazardous wastes, rather than disposing of them in regular household trash.

    Why is Recycling CFLs Important?

    Recycling prevents the release of mercury into the environment. CFLs and other fluorescent bulbs often break when thrown into a dumpster, trash can or compactor, or when they end up in a landfill or incinerator. Learn more about CFLs and mercury.

    Other materials in the bulbs get reused. Recycling CFLs and other fluorescent bulbs allows the reuse of the glass, metals and other materials that make up fluorescent lights. Virtually all components of a fluorescent bulb can be recycled.

    Your area may require recycling. Some states and local jurisdictions have more stringent regulations than U.S. EPA does, and may require that you recycle CFLs and other mercury-containing light bulbs. California, Maine, New Hampshire (PDF), Minnesota, Vermont and Massachusetts Exit EPA Disclaimer , for example, all prohibit mercury-containing lamps from being discarded into landfills. Visit Earth911.com Exit EPA Disclaimer to contact your local waste collection agency, which can tell you if such requirement exists in your state or locality.

    How and Where Can I Recycle CFLs?

    Waste collection agencies
    Local retailers
    Mail-back services

    ► Contact your local waste collection agency

    Visit Earth911.com Exit EPA Disclaimer to find collection schedules in your area or drop-off locations if curbside collections are not available. Note that waste collection agencies:

    provide services that are usually free, though some may charge a small fee.
    sometimes collect household hazardous wastes only once or twice a year, so residents will have to hold on to their light bulbs until the collection takes place. Other collection agencies provide collection services throughout the year.

    may also collect paints, pesticides, cleaning supplies or batteries.
    usually accept waste only from residents, although some collection programs include small businesses as well.

    ► Visit your local retailers

    Many hardware supply stores and other retailers offer in-store recycling. Visit Earth911.com Exit EPA Disclaimer to find stores in your area or check the list below. Make sure you check directly with the store before you go; not all stores in regional or nationwide chains may be equipped to recycle.


    Ace Hardware store locator
    Aubuchon Hardware store locations
    Bartell Drugs
    Home Depot’s CFL recycling program
    IKEA store locations
    Lowe's recycling program and store locator
    Menards store locator
    Orchard Supply store locator
    TrueValue store locator
    Retail and other locations in certain counties and states:
    Dane County, Wisconsin
    Massachusetts
    Minnesota (PDF)
    City of Napa and southern Napa County, California
    San Francisco, California
    San Mateo County, California
    Vermont

    ► Find out about mail-back services

    Some bulb manufacturers and other organizations sell pre-labeled recycling kits that allow you to mail used bulbs to recycling centers. The cost of each kit includes shipping charges to the recycling center. You fill up a kit with old bulbs, seal it, and bring it to the post office or leave for your postal carrier. Websites that provide more information about mail-back services



    BakPak Mail-Back Recycling (NLR, Inc.)
    EasyPak from Lamprecycling.com (AirCycle)
    EcoLights
    EverLights, Inc.
    Heritage Lifecycle Mailback Services
    Lampmaster
    Osram Sylvania
    RecycleKits from AERC Recycling Solutions
    RecyclePak from Veolia Environmental Services
    Simple Cycle (Lamp Environment Industries, Inc.)
    Think Green From Home (Waste Management Inc.)
    WasteSecure (Universal Recycling Technologies, LLC)


    What If I Can't Recycle?

    If your state or local environmental regulatory agency permits you to put used or broken CFLs in the regular household trash, seal the bulb in a plastic bag and put it into the outside trash for the next normal trash collection.
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    #300

    Jan 4, 2013, 05:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Try the Xanax.

    NK. You can take that as a, yes. You can make the same conclusion about Fox News.

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