[tomder55]

I'd refuse to add to the debt ceiling ;I'd let the government shut down. The President had his chance to negotiate in good faith and failed . The only Dem in leadership who can get anything done evidently is Joe Biden. So yes; the President has proven beyond a doubt that he has no interest in budget cutting . So I'd force the issue.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

So I'd force the issue.

I understand you would. My question is, who's going to get blamed?

Excon

[tomder55]

Given the power of the compliant press ;I'm sure the Repubics just like they were blamed for the last crisis over the debt ceiling... just like they are being blamed for the delay in the Sandy bill that was also loaded with pork in the Senate by the Dems .
I'm not an elected official so I don't really care . I'm just hoping that the whimp Speaker Bonehead gets ousted today from his Speakership .

[speechlesstx]

And by the way, our taxes just went up.

[tomder55]

Can't be... we were told only the 2% would see tax increases.

[talaniman]

And “2013 will be the first year there's not stimulus-related targeted tax relief for individuals,” he said.

What's the problem you said Obama's stimulus didn't work any way? You mean you want them back?

[tomder55]

Me ? I'm happy this defunding of Social Security by the Dems is ending .

[speechlesstx]

Whats the problem you said Obama's stimulus didn't work any way? You mean you want them back?

Why would I want to give the feds more of my money to waste? But hey, at least you can feel good about making the rich pay their "fair share" even though this disproportionately affects the poor and the middle class.

[paraclete]

Okay speech what's the alternative, all those on welfare, social security, unemployment suddenly have no money, that will make a wonderful bounce for the economy, or perhaps you prefer the military and the civil servants don't get paid, or the government defaults on its contracts, no I get it, they just won't pay the bond holders their interest. You could, of course, shut down all those Congress boondoggles, or shutdown local government or state government, it's so wasteful having all that duplication. Hows's that for disproportionately affecting the poor

[speechlesstx]

okay speech what's the alternative, all those on welfare, social security, unemployment suddenly have no money, that will make a wonderful bounce for the economy, or perhaps you prefer the military and the civil servants don't get paid, or the government defaults on its contracts, no I get it, they just won't pay the bond holders their interest. You could, of course, shut down all those Congress boondoggles, or shutdown local government or state government, it's so wasteful having all that duplication. Hows's that for disproportionately affecting the poor

How does $150 million for fisheries in Alaska help someone who lost their home to hurricane Sandy?

[tomder55]

okay speech what's the alternative, all those on welfare, social security, unemployment suddenly have no money, that will make a wonderful bounce for the economy, or perhaps you prefer the military and the civil servants don't get paid, or the government defaults on its contracts, no I get it, they just won't pay the bond holders their interest. You could, of course, shut down all those Congress boondoggles, or shutdown local government or state government, it's so wasteful having all that duplication. Hows's that for disproportionately affecting the poor

My way ;when the government shuts down ;they make a provision that essential personnel still report for duty. Then one starts to ask oneself.. 'all those people who are not reporting are 'non-essential ' employees ? Why does the government hire non-essential employees ?

[paraclete]

'all those people who are not reporting are 'non-essential ' employees ? Why does the government hire non-essential employees ?

Why Tom those are the people who are administering Congressional boondoggles .

Now you wouldn't want those programs to stop would you? Glory be, what would the folks down home say if Homer lost his job?

But seriously, someone has to be there when the essential employees, that's the bone lazy congressmen and senators, and their hangerson go on leave. Tell you what Tom you fire all those non essential employees and the nation will grind to a halt, what would public servants do if they actually had to do some work? I know you have thought this through and have come to the conclusion no price to too high to get your capitalist agenda up

[tomder55]

10 % across the board cuts and layoffs and the Federal government wouldn't skip a beat .

[paraclete]

Does that include the 800,000 the DoD was planning to send on unpaid leave? I think you will have to do better than 10% to find all those non essential employees The internet suggests the government has about 3,000,000 direct employees, or 8% of population excluding the military but I wonder how many indirect employees it has. Other statistics suggest total government employment at around 12,000,000 plus 15,000,000 contractors, must be massive duplication over there, by comparison our direct government employment is about 0.7% of our population

[tomder55]

must be massive duplication over there

You got it.

[talaniman]

This whole fiscal cliff crap is a disaster the congress created in the first place, after they couldn't do their jobs and even raising the debt ceiling is a smoke screen since congress is the one to appropriate money in the first place. It's the congress that has spent too much, and now they have to pay for it.

Republicans use to know that. Until Obama showed up and took on the Bush fiasco and TParty BS, and ran into the republican zeal to take his job and run the 3 branches of government, so they could control the 4th. So their rich buddies could really run the whole show, and extract all the money.

The coup failed

[paraclete]

A bloodless coup Tal, yes, those usually fail, but never mind, your Republicans will keep their guns so they can hold an insurrection against tyranny, after all that's what they are for, or at least, that's what Tom thinks they are for.

[speechlesstx]

This whole fiscal cliff crap is a disaster the congress created in the first place, after they couldn't do their jobs and even raising the debt ceiling is a smoke screen since congress is the one to appropriate money in the first place. Its the congress that has spent to much, and now they have to pay for it.

Republicans use to know that. Until Obama showed up and took on the Bush fiasco and TParty BS, and ran into the republican zeal to take his job and run the 3 branches of government, so they could control the 4th. so their rich buddies could really run the whole show, and extract all the money.

The coup failed

That's funny.

[talaniman]

What's even funnier is shutting down the government and risking the credit of the US on money that's already been spent by the approval of the congress, specifically the house who is charged with appropriating he money.

Whether we had a deficit or not just accounting for a growing population would mean MO' MONEY is needed.

[speechlesstx]

Whats even funnier is shutting down the government and risking the credit of the US on money thats already been spent by the approval of the congress, specifically the house who is charged with appropriating he money.

Whether we had a deficit or not just accounting for a growing population would mean MO' MONEY is needed.

They can earn their own.