[tomder55]

Yup ;and there will be other days of rage now that Israel has gotten tired of the barrage of missiles out of Gaza . But the day of rage won't be against Hamas and Islamic Jihad (the Iranian based terror organization that is launching the Iranian supplied Fajr-5 solid fuel missiles aimed at Tel Aviv ). It will be about Israel defending itself.
As Ex says ;none of this is happening in a vacume.

[talaniman]

Its been a mess for centuries. A spark will ignite a raging fire for all affected. No good guy here no matter what they say. They both get burned in the end.

[paraclete]

I think it is clear who has been the provocateur, no doubt there are a lot of bystanders who are going to suffer but it cannot be allowed to continue. When you are at war even a small war force must be used

[speechlesstx]

The White House was definitely briefed that Benghazi was a terrorist attack within 72 hours. Game over on these lame defenses from Obama - the Obama administration duped the voters and intentionally sent Susan Rice out to lie to the American people.

BREAKING: The president knew the truth about Benghazi
By Jennifer Rubin

In a blockbuster report, John Solomon, the former Associated Press and Post reporter, has ferreted out the president’s daily brief that informed him within 72 hours of the Sept. 11 attack that the Benghazi attack was a jihadist operation.

Citing officials directly familiar with the information, Solomon writes in the Washington Guardian that Obama and other administration officials were told that “that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region.”

He adds:

The details from the CIA and Pentagon assessments of the killing of Ambassador Chris [Stevens] were far more specific, more detailed and more current than the unclassified talking points that UN Ambassador Susan Rice and other officials used five days after the attack to suggest to Americans that an unruly mob angry over an anti-Islamic video was to blame, officials said.

Most of the details affirming al-Qaida links were edited or excluded from the unclassified talking points used by Rice in appearances on news programs the weekend after the attack, officials confirmed Friday. Multiple agencies were involved in excising information, doing so because it revealed sources and methods, dealt with classified intercepts or involved information that was not yet fully confirmed, the officials said.

Solomon cautions that there were bits of evidence pointing to a spontaneous attack but, as Eli Lake of the Daily Beast and others have reported, he writes: “Among the early evidence cited in the briefings to the president and other senior officials were intercepts showing some of the participants were known members or supporters of Ansar al-Sharia — the al-Qaida-sympathizing militia in Libya — and the AQIM, which is a direct affiliate of al-Qaida in northern Africa, the officials said.”

How could the president and his senior staff then have allowed (or rather, sent) Rice to go out to tell an entirely different tale to the American people on Sept. 16 on five TV shows?

This report indicates that the president certainly knew that Benghazi wasn’t a rogue movie review gone bad. He had information that plainly spelled out what was later confirmed by additional intelligence. If this information was too confidential to share with the public, at the very least the president and others should not have mislead voters.

This is a full-blown scandal, and in light of this information, the press corps’s slothful indifference to uncovering the truth at Wednesday’s news conference with Obama is all the more shocking. It is time for the president to come clean. The scandal has now enveloped the Oval Office and will define his second term, if not resolved satisfactorily.

What did he know and when did he know it? Answered. When will the media pick up on this? Will they hold his feet to the fire? That remains to be seen.

[Wondergirl]

When will the media pick up on this? Will they hold his feet to the fire? That remains to be seen.

Why does the American public have a right to know this instantaneously, as soon as he does?

[tomder55]

It's debatable ,although I think we absolutely need and deserve the truth about the murder of an American ambassador But that is not the issue. We were misled and lied to ;and they tried to maintain that false narrative despite it unravelling around them.
As you may have noticed;I am convinced that the lie was concocted to cover a much bigger policy failure that makes the narrative that it was about the election a minor issue in comparison.

[Wondergirl]

a much bigger policy failure

And that was?

[tomder55]

Well maybe not a failure... but one of those policies that you think we shouldn't know about. A policy that the President didn't want Congress to know about for that matter . It involves recruiting and arming anti-Assad 'rebels '. The mission in Benghazi( it has never been called a consulate by the White House ) was the base of the operation.

[Wondergirl]

We couldn't have done anything about it anyway. And it was a security issue.

[tomder55]

Maybe ;maybe not . But that doesn't change that the adm had a compelling reason to cover it up .

[Wondergirl]

maybe ;maybe not . But that doesn't change that the adm had a compelling reason to cover it up .

But maybe that is not what was happening. Just because I don't tell my adult children something right away doesn't mean I am covering it up.

[paraclete]

Unless you tell them something completely different

[Wondergirl]

unless you tell them something completely different

"Yes, your father and I fight a lot" vs. "Yes, your father and I are getting a divorce."

[tomder55]

No ; the least of it was political . One week before the President danced on OBLs grave and said AQ was on the run. He was never going to admit that AQ hit us on the anniverary of the 9-11 attack.
But he would've survived that . There was something deeper ;something that required foreign financing so he could keep the operation hidden from the Congressional Intelligence Committees.

[paraclete]

Congressional intelligence isn't that an oxymoron somewhat similar to military intelligence

[talaniman]

If the ambassador or anyone was so concerned over the lax security of a previouly besieged mission/consulate, what was he doing there without his security detail? Least we forget the ambassador to Syria among the Syrian people a year or so ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/wo...pagewanted=all

Benghazi residents circulated photographs online of Mr. Stevens frequenting local restaurants, relishing local dishes, and strolling city streets, apparently without a security detail.

On Wednesday, some friends of Mr. Stevens suggested that his faith in his bond with the people of Benghazi may have blinded him to the dangers there.

[Wondergirl]

There was something deeper ;something that required foreign financing so he could keep the operation hidden from the Congressional Intelligence Committees.

And you and I were doing so well...

[speechlesstx]

But maybe that is not what was happening. Just because I don't tell my adult children something right away doesn't mean I am covering it up.

The point is, with my last post it's more than obvious Obama intentionally lied to us. Why?

People died, Obama lied.

[Wondergirl]

The point is, with my last post it's more than obvious Obama intentionally lied to us. Why?

People died, Obama lied.

So if he would have filled us in from the get-go, no one would have died?

[tomder55]

what was he doing there without his security detail?

yes ask yourself why the Ambassador in a hot zone was not assigned a security detail commensurate with the threat matrix . Why did the State Dept rely on locals for the Ambassador's security ? Why would he risk going to Benghazi on the anniversary of 9-11 to meet with the Turkish envoy ,and why was the Ambassador there when every other western nation had bugged out of Bengazi because it was unsafe. Then ask yourself ;was the Ambassador really conducting a diplomatic mission?. this Ambassador who's previous job was to coordinate and arm anti-QDaffy forces .